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Stefan Johansen

Discussion in 'Ex Players' started by SloBhoy, Jan 15, 2014.

Discuss Stefan Johansen in the Ex Players area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Just Kieran Gold Member Gold Member

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    To be fair to McGuire, he's not the only one who does this.

    Fans are fickle by nature and generally judge a player from game-to-game, rather than forming an overall picture of their ability and accepting that dips in performance levels are inevitable (for most players) throughout the season.
     
  2. McChiellini..

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    By the way you've mixed (deliberately) quotes from his first couple games last season and his poor start to this season, don't let facts get in the way of your point though :56:

    I stand by my point, his total contrast in form was ridiculous and he was our worst performer outwith ambrose at the start of the season and shoulda been benched for kayal ..
    He's turned it around and fair play to him..

    A lot of those quotes were also tongue and cheek as well as wind ups, your stance has been embarrassingly blinkered and i don't expect you'll have been able to see that..
     
  3. Daver

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    There is no doubt that earlier in the season, his passing was horrendous on occasion....losing the ball a chronic number of times in games, and his overall performances were a shadow of what they were last year - and especially based against what they have been in recent weeks.

    Why? A combination of factors - new (although not AS new to him obviously) manager...match fitness....position played it.

    It all adds up - but slating a guy on here who accurately said earlier in the season Johansen was playing pish in comparison seems a bit harsh. Simply, because the guy was playing pish in comparison.
     
  4. murphy88

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    I don't see what the big deal is, he was poor at the start of the season, and was rightly criticised, and over the past month or so, he has found form again, and looks a much better player, so will of course get praised. You can't really defend a player's current form based on past exertions. Any player in world football will get pelters if they go through a poor run of form, which is exactly what happened with Johansen in the opening few months of this season.
     
  5. Daver

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    * you man - sick of your "common sense" and pish.
     
  6. Soul Rebel

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    He was pretty crap from the first qualifiers in July, most the team were right enough, but he was particularly poor for me. I've always said he's our best passer though and I stand by that, just wasn't always as sure about his overall game.
     
  7. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    My point on Johansen is very simple, I agree he was poor when the entire team was - I can't and haven't denied that. What I am saying is it is laughable that because his form dipped in line with the entire squads suddenly he was a 'diddy', 'absolute *' 'one of Ronny's favourites', 'crap compared to Kayal'.

    Winning the Norwegian POTY making a mockery of the fickle idiots coming away with that crap.
     
  8. Liam Scales

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    Think it's pretty good to point out the fickleness in our support, might stop some of the abuse next time there's a wee dip in form to somebody else.
     
  9. murphy88

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    That will never happen. If someone goes through a bad run of games, in Johansen's case it was over the period of a few months, then fans are of course going to criticise. If it is simply one or two games, then I agree with you, but when it is over a sustained period of time, then it's inevitable that the player will get stick. If Lionel Messi went a few months and his level of performance dropped well below par, it would be no different.
     
  10. McChiellini..

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    Complete and utter bell end and fickle idiot in last 2 posts..

    Gave you more credit than you deserved..

    Fickle, righty o..
     
  11. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I completely agree with this part actually.

    For some reason, for him, during a form dip, which every player has, people got the pitchforks out. With others however they might have just said 'aww he'll get back to his best KTF HAIL HAIL' but with Stefan it was almost as if people were looking for an excuse to pelt him.

    I think he is an excellent midfielder at our level tbh and is consistently proving himself at international level.
     
  12. murphy88

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    If you read through every individual player thread on here, you will see more than likely that every single one of them have been criticised at times. Izaguirre got slaughtered for playing below par, Stokes has had it likewise, Brown also etc etc
     
  13. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    I don't think anyone is denying that Johansen had a dip in form.

    My own opinion is, he was not as bad as some were making out. He was still working hard and flitting in and out of games. I think some of the criticism was over the top, and it was as though we were describing a player who was never going to cut it at times.
     
  14. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Aye, I obviously acknowledge that, I have done it with Izzaguirre I can admit that, he is not a player I actually rate that highly anymore.

    Anyway that is for another thread. What I am saying is, that a good few seemed to be a bit eager to slate him even after just a few poor games when everyone else was playing * as well. He became a bit of a scapegoat.

    Criticism is part of football everyone knows that. If people were saying 'aww he is poor at the moment, needs to improve' then that is fair enough, but some of the comments, which I am guessing were entirely serious, were over the top. I remember one comment which said something about him have no footballing ability at all. I mean come on.
     
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    Had to check re how far I had gone at start of season, where he was poor - below is as harsh as I was, back in August, and I stand by it. Reminded me of another aspect, however, regarding Brown. His return has also made a difference in terms of "coincidence" with Johansen really picking it up where he left off last season.

     
  16. murphy88

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    There will always be one or two that go OTT. I think Johansen was very fortunate to retain his place in the team at times though near the start of the season. We had Kayal who had done all that was asked of him whenever he played, and he was always overlooked for a player who was out of sorts. In fact, the very same is happening just now with Mulgrew. He is going through a pretty shocking run of form in my opinion at the minute.

    I think the term "scapegoat" gets thrown around too often. It usually gets used when someone is hellbent on defending a player no matter how poorly he is playing. Seen it said numerous times when discussing Ambrose.
     
  17. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    That post was 'good' criticism, if there is any sort though:smiley-laughing002:

    I posted something similar talking about how I expected him to flourish under Deila but it hadn't quite happened yet. Luckily we are seeing it now.

    I still stand by the idea that he cannot fully perform in a 2 man midfield. He is asked to simply do too much in that role. Right now he looks so comfortable, it's somewhat of a free role as at times you will see him come deep like he did under Lennon at the start and dictate play.
     
  18. liammcdowell

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    I feel he looks a lot better with Commons out of the team, he is able to control play much better. He's first name on the team sheet at the minute
     
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  20. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    In terms of scapegoat, when used with Ambrose, it is no excuse because as I have said numerous times in his thread, he is * guff at defending. Plain and simple. You cannot really argue with any criticism of him to be honest nowadays.

    I only used it with Johansen because I genuinely feel in this case that is what people were using him as. Others were simply jumping on his run of bad form in order to get a dig in which they were clearly dying to do.

    I agree about Mulgrew. In his case I just think he isn't really that great in midfield. I've never liked him there.