Are We Falling Apart?

You seem to be able to acknowledge that "other innocent fans are being treated like dirt". If this is the case can you not see that it is possible that members of the GB are also unjustly targeted maybe(probably) even more so.

 

Maybe the we he refers to is neither you nor I but Souptakers CFC

 

Ok I'm just going off of what a GB member said on a podcast. And he was going off of what a copper told him at celtic park.


Oh and you should probably read this article I just read, it prretty much confirms what I've been saying. Its all about being politically correct in this day and age and even though I believe in what the bobby sands banner stood for, it wasn't the time or place and it was politically incorrect in the view of the rest of the world.


I suggest everyone reads this. Its 4 pagges long and very in depth

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/13/sport/football/celtic-green-brigade/index.html?c=europe&page=1

 

There are always going to be difficult times. This isn't the first time there's been issues around the fans/board/staff, and it won't be the last. It seems a bit * at the moment, but we'll come out the other side. We are Celtic, we will go on.

 

This division started when some fans cared more about the clubs reputation than fans being harassed and denied freedom of speech because the board disagreed with what was being said, well those fans got their wish and what I seen at yesterday's game was shocking, if this has what the club has become fans harassed for singing, fighting between our own fans for showing support to another group of fans then it's a sad state of affairs. But hey at least our reputation will be better

 

Also the fact that people saying the club aren't falling apart due to financial situations and how we are doing demstoically, if you want us to continue to qualify for the champions league and play like we usually do at celtic park but with the atmosphere of Old Trafford well it looks like those days could be sadly coming

 

1st time I've ever noticed your user name so you obviously don't make an impression. I sometimes don't reply because I feel like I'm repeating my self over and over and all the GB brown nosers do is come out with complete nonsence. So I could say the smae about some of yous. I'm usually steamin or smashed and don't really care what people think so I speak my mind. I look at things from an overall perspective. Read that article. Its basically what I've been getting at but worded a lot better and not wrote on a * android phone.

If you don't mind me asking. What exactly is it you guys don't like about peter lawwell? Why should he be sacked exactly? Correct me if I'm wrong but about 80% of our fans were happy with what our board had accomplished with our system last year. Which realistically has to be in place to survive playing our trade in a league that pays 1.5 million to the winner. where as teams down south get around 60 million for being relegated! I've heard GB brown nosers or possible members saying that lawwell is working with the police and even some saying motherwell was a stitch up by lawwell. (Ohh aye because lawwell has the power to stop police presence in another stadium. People complaining about the GB section being closed down, well it was GB banners and stickers all over the destroyed seats that day. And I heard people moaning about not letting them sit with other celtic fans in barcalona. You know what I say to that ?? "Ha * ha" some claiming the club lied to them, they never. All the fans did get into the stadium, they just weren't aload to be seen with the well behaved fans .. or as you lot like to call them "prawn sandwhiches" honestly, I didn't just chose to dislike the GB one day, I quite liked them at the start ... but then they started getting too big for their boots as some would say. All they seem to do now is moan, seperate the fans, get the club in trouble and never take responsibility. Some of their statements have been cringe worthy at times. I think mostly it was the whole denying anything they did wrong in their statements that did it for me. And since I changed my view on the GB, it seems like they have just been getting worse and worse, equmulating larger fines from uefa and we could possibly face a behind closed door game soon the way things are going. Answer me this .. what have the board done to strip celtic of our irish heritage? I keep hearing this aswell and its a complete whopper. Explain please ...


GB are nothing but trouble. Always stirring *!

Ideoligists is an understatement ....

 

What can the board do about the police exactly? They are the ones that have to answer to the police and governing bodies. Yes its absalutley shocking what the coppers were doing but in all honesty, I haven't heard about any protests or petitions being done. If fans want to use the clubs large fan base this is the perfect way to do it. Start a campaign to get as much celtic supporters to send their MP's a letter or as stated above, get a petition started. I haven't seen much actual political rallys or anything for a while now. Last one I remember was jeanette findleys speech in glasgow. My point being, I don't see anyone doing anything to stop it. And putting up banners of william wallace and bobby sands doesn't count, not exactly standard democratic proceedure.

 

And what does your article tell us that we don't already know?

 

That tells me all I need to know,you've got absolutely nothing in common with Celtic supporters who love supporting their team,guys who spend small fortunes going abroad to see Celtic in the CL,actual supporters - and when they continue to be the victim of harrassment in Europe,by not even being allowed to sit with their own set of fans,the best you can offer up is 'ha ha'?

You really revel in the misfortune of 'fellow supporters' rolleyes that much?

Don't answer that,you've already made it perfectly clear.As I said,I dunno if it's an unwillingness to accept the facts or idiocy,maybe there's another explanation.

Consider this my last post regarding yourself,you're just a disruptive waste of time and effort.

 

Goody, I get where your coming from. There are some ludicrous statements flying about but at the same time there are some extremely pertinent questions being asked. Why are the club issuing a blanket ban to season ticket holders? Why are people being denied access to the stadium due to clothing? Why are people being told to stop singing? We dont want to start going down that road as it will drive a wedge between the club and fans.

As far as the GB are concerned, I'm not a fan for personal reasons, but even I can see that they are being persecuted for Fir Park. There is no proof they caused the damage. Sure, there were stickers on the seats, but you can buy them. I could buy Tory party stickers and wreck a bus shelter and plaster the stickers over it. Does that mean every tory should be banned from bus shelters? The GB were guilty of leaving an allocated area at Fir Park, not for the damage. As I said in the GB thread, they have been rather obtuse with regards to the club's attitude towards them. Possibly they have thought of themselves more important than the rest of the support, maybe they have been niave due the previous warnings. But the club has reacted rashly and by imposing the sanctions on the GB, they have effectively punished other innocent fans. To say people have to dress a certain way is draconian. The way these fans are being treated will eventually affect us all.

I think Lawwell has been great for the club but I have to question where he is going with these decisions. It is becoming a case of sit down and shut up. It's football. It's about entertainment. Im not saying people should sing pro-terrorist songs but to tell people what to sing is laughable.

I can understand why people are angry at the club. I can look at objectively and I think there are issues that need to be addressed urgently before an already disgruntled fanbase creates a poisonous atmosphere.

 

Spot on Kenny.

 

The internet is a godsend for some of our support,it allows them to post thier cuntish views with the knowledge they will not get a thump in the mouth like they would if they said it in and about celtic bars^supportersclubs and buses.

 

No need to bring up poppy seeds. You've taken that too far

 

Like I stated above, they were the fans that's season tickets got suspended untill an investigation is completed. In my mind that's the boards way of meeting them in the middle because they paid for flights. I know a lot of people that were situated in those seats at motherwell weren't even there but imo, that's the price you pay for being in the GB section. And I'm sure the board would gladly move you away from that section if you asked before hand, knowing that the section is always getting in trouble these days. If you chose to still sit there after all the contraversy from the last time the section got closed.

Again, as I said, I'm looking at it from an overall perspective. Believe me, I hate coppers as much as the next guy but if you think the behaviour from that section has helped the fight against the criminalization act, your mental. made things nothing but worse (yesterday being proof)

 

Goody, go to bed son.

 

I get were your coming from but what else do you expect the club to do after an incident like at fir park .. especially after all the trouble the club got in a week or so before. The club had to act. I can't think of any other possible way to punish the fans who did it. I think the board are saying, if you fly with the crows you get shot down with them. Knowing the trouble that section gets in, you would think people that weren't interested in the GB's actions would re-locate to somewhere else in the stadium.

And what's the deal with not letting people in with certain clothes? What's that suppose to do? What's the point in that ? And what kind of clothes were they rejecting?

 

I honestly can't quite fathom out whether you are serious or not?

The other day you said the GB were to blame for the vandalism and graffiti at Motherwell EVEN IF IT WASN'T THEM who done it, and now you're hitting out with this utter * nonsense!

Aye, so, if I told my friend that I absolutely hated my neighbour, and later that night the friend goes out and stabs that neighbour to death, going by your ridiculous logic I am as much to blame for that neighbours death?

Embarrassing.

 

I agree, vandalism cannot be accepted, especially when it's simply going to cost the club money.

No? They couldn't have waited on Motherwell to work with the police in identifying the culprits, and then ban those who were actually responsible?

It cannot be denied that the club used the incident as an excuse to continue a vendetta against a section of our support. You simply cannot deny that.

I think that's what they were saying too, and it's a flawed philosophy.

 

Good post that