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Should Abu Qatada be extradited?

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by therealfenian, Apr 23, 2013.

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  1. muffitO'tea

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    Deport him.

    Who cares what jordon does with him?
     
  2. CH4 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Get him tae *.....
     
  3. Sean Daleer Show Israel the Red Card Gold Member

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    Deport him for what exactly?
     
  4. Sean Daleer Show Israel the Red Card Gold Member

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    Maybe we should get rid of all those pesky * plastic Paddies as well and their hate rhetoric against Britain...
     
  5. Marie Bookmaker

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    Surely he could claim asylum elsewhere.....don't see why we need to have him here.
     
  6. Dáibhí

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    If he's a criminal, then yes. As far as I'm aware he hasn't broken any laws (unless having a beard, being a darker colour than the majority and saying you hate Britain is a crime), so there is no reason to deport him.

    I have to believe that the UK Government would have gotten rid of him long ago if they could. The fact that they haven't tells me all I need to know.
     
  7. TheHolyGoalie

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    Yes. He's being kept here at great expense to the tax payer.

    I for one don't care what Jordan does to him, he is a Jordanian citizen and has to answer for his supposed crimes in his native country.
     
  8. muffitO'tea

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    Well isn't he wanted on terrorism charges?
    Why should we keep him here? There's probably a lot of money getting spent on him going in and out of jail.
    It's not like he likes the country he's in anyway with all his crazy preachings.

    Oh wait his poor human rights?
    The heart bleeds:rolleyes:
     
  9. Dáibhí

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    Is that a crime these days then?
     
  10. Dáibhí

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    Alleged terrorist links. Alleged.
     
  11. Scotia Gold Member Gold Member

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    stick him on the next available plane seat to jordan and tell him " ok * your on your own " family to follow .
     
  12. ShaunyBhoy90

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    Get him to *.
     
  13. TheHolyGoalie

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    nooo but it's a major inconvenience and very unnecessary.
     
  14. oh bhoy

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    what has he done??
     
  15. Dáibhí

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    I think that before we decide to "get him to *" that we should look a little bit at his history.

    In 1999 he was sentenced to life imprisonment by Jordan for conspiracy to carry out terror attacks, and was given an additional 15 years for involvement in a plot to bomb tourists attending Millennium celebrations in Jordan.

    In September 1993 he came with his wife and five children to the UK, using a forged UAE passport, requesting asylum on grounds of religious persecution, claiming he had been tortured in Jordan, and this was granted in June 1994 by the UK Government.

    Now, for me, this is an important point. The UK have granted this guy asylum, which means they should have already done a thorough background check to ensure his claims were legit.

    In February 2001, he was arrested and questioned in connection with a German terror cell. There was insufficient evidence against him, and all charges were dropped.

    In October 2002 he was arrested and taken to Belmarsh prison.

    A rather concerning point to be made here is that neither Qatada himself, nor his legal counsel has been allowed to see any of the evidence against him. The only person who is representing him and who has had access to his paperwork is a "special Advocate", but this guy is not allowed to come into contact with Qatada or his lawyer. They don't even know who the guy is.

    He was kept in prison from 2002 until 2005, when he was released under strict bail conditions. After 5 months, he was re-arrested and kept in prison until May 2008.

    A British court ruled on 26 February 2007, that he may be deported to Jordan.

    He won an appeal against deportation but remained in prison.

    On 8 May 2008, he was granted bail by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission under a strict 22 hour home curfew, but was re-arrested in November 2008 and was sent back to prison.

    Why?

    Because Judges had agreed with ministers that he might flee - even though there was never any evidence of such a plan. The Home Secretary at the time accepted he had not breached his tough bail conditions, and thus had been arrested illegally.

    This has been followed by the UK Government continually re-arresting him with the aim of deporting him, only to be shut down by, y'know, all that pesky legal stuff, due course etc and having to re-release him.

    Basically, he's been continually jailed for something "he might do" rather than anything he's actually done. Nothing has ever been proven in court, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the Government have put some real effort into finding something they can nail to the guy. They got nothing though.

    If you claim to cherish the rule of law and the idea of due process, you simply cannot condone the treatment this guy has had, regardless of how much you dislike his politics or his dress sense and choice of facial hair.
     
  16. Sean Daleer Show Israel the Red Card Gold Member

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    Some of the posts on here are depressing.

    It's like reading the comments section on a daily mail article.

    Folk can't even put forward a coherent argument as to why he should be deported, just "get him tae *", "* off *".

    I honestly thought the majority of the Celtic support were more politically aware than this.
     
  17. Dáibhí

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    No doubt the opinions put forth by some SNP politicians when they think about the new bill that sees football fans criminalised.

    You okay with that as well I take it?
     
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    Definitely.
     
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    David Cameron is examining the possibility of withdrawing on a temporary basis from the European convention on human rights as the government seeks to deport the radical Islamist preacher Abu Qatada, Downing Street has confirmed.
     
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    The fact that he came into the UK on a forged passport is reason to deport him. The torture claims are used by thousands now to get asylum and now there is a boom in Africans pretending to be Gay to get asylum. I don't blame these people for trying to get out of poor poor countries though. The problem is everyone is tortured in prison even if they were in prison for a misdemeanor that is the culture any many Middle eastern countries if every person from these nations claimed this we would not be able to deport anyone. I don't think the guy is any harm he seems more of a fantasist than a threat he even lied about his eye said he was fighting a war and lost it which was proven to be a lie.

    edit: the losing of the eye I'm thinking of Abu Hamza who was also a liar.
     
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