Double your salary or better society?

* *, what has happened to me lately? All my posts are like War and Peace! Am I turning into Hugo Nedez:smiley-laughing002:?

Edit: whatever happened to that guy? Not seen any posts for a while.

 

I remember reading an article about the biggest regrets people have on their death bed, and spending too much time working too hard was amongst the highest. Not earning enough money didnt feature.

 

Dod eat dog world out there.

I only look after number 1 double salary for me.

 

See what I mean?

 

Good post RR,
The bit I have highligted is at the crux of the question, and I think it comes down to a sense of deservedness.

I would have in a wallet because it isnt my money. I can make no claim to the money and I know for a fact it belongs to someone else. It is the same reasoning why I wouldnt steal money from people in general.

But when we are talking about salaries we are touching upon a sense of deservedness. Sad to say I dont earn close to £75k but my boss earns considerably more than that. As have all my bosses in the past. Not only are these guys very very intelligent, but they have an incredible work ethic. They get into the office first thing and leave last thing. They work over the weekends when they arent contracted to. They dont come close to taking their yearly holiday entitlement and when they do go on holiday they take their blackberries (even when they are told not to). They live and breathe their job.

Now whether this is particularly healthy is another debate, but they are asked to put so much more into their jobs than people who earn less (such as myself). So when you ask these guys would they mind working for £35k a year they would likely say no, not because they are selfish, but because they feel that £70k+ is a far fairer wage for the work they do. Otherwise why do it. They would do a far less demanding job and earn less.

That is why, as I said earlier, this question very much depends on the income and occupation of those who are answering it. If people are willing to work 80+ hours a week and never switch off, as well as being very good at what they do, studying to progress their career etc, then they will inevitably earn more and they will almost inevitably reject the idea of taking a pay cut through a sense of "fairness".

If you do not share that level of work ethic or, perhaps to put it better, you chose to live life with a more healthy work/life balance then it is far easier to say you would happily give up extra income. Because, you dont deserve it and you dont work for it (I am talking about myself here - not anyone else). If you feel like you do deserve it, and you put in the hours to justify it, then you arent going to give it up as quickly.

 

With you on that one mate, assuming the poorest were given the same opportunities that I were given then I have absolutely no problem taking the 70k

I also don't even have the excuse of having a family to care for, but I can honestly say that I don't really care much for materialistic things like massive telly's or cars etc... I would really just use the money to do what I want and go where I want without having to worry about anything.

 

We have had this system in Sweden for a long time. Medium salary, high tax. Thank * its not like this anymore..With this system, If you give a man your finger, he will bite off your hand.

Alot of people just moved together and stopped working and had a good life on welfare, while we, the workers had to pay for it! No thanks! But now on the other hand, its going the opposite direction.. Now some people have to work with broken legs and even cancer. All goverments around the world are not to be trusted, they * us over for greed everyday of the week.

 

What if you earn over 40k, should you drop 5k according to this poll?

If you are well trained and well skilled and you feel you deserve 50k or more its not greedy in my opinion.

I know men who are making 60k for doing the same as me,but they are on rigs and have to travel a bit and work there mutton off

Am sorry but the second option all the way.

 

It's an easy question to answer, I'd take the higher salary. If you're honest with yourself, as long as you and the people close to you are taken care of you aren't really as worried about how much help others get from the government. It is a selfish outlook but that's human nature.

I, like others, prefer the idea of a fairer society but in a system where the government provides a lot of help to the poor, the system would be abused as it is in real life.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

 

Id take the £70k * yous all

 

"Stepping in front of that car" must be near the top

 

Well in our society they manifestly don't. People put a lot of time, effort and money into ensuring that their children have an advantage. If we take the (upper) middle classes as an example (but the skilled working class and the so-called elites have their own systems for passing on their privileges):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTExd5yKGvU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTExd5yKGvU[/ame]

What you describe is not human nature (though a great deal of effort has been spent persuading us that it is- with disastrous consequences); it's in human nature. This is an important distinction. It is in human nature to be self-centred or even selfish under certain conditions. One of the most important of these conditions is living in a community where others are all looking after number one. The reason this distinction is important is because it is also in our nature to seek fairness and even to look after each other. It all depends on the social context.

Such is the media exposure of this idea that we're all basically selfish that what I have said may seem controversial: far from it. Only in certain influential schools of economics (such as the Chicago school) is this not widely accepted. What I have written is absolutely uncontroversial in any other social science (and in fact even in mainstream evolutionary psychology!).

 

The fact that I have been unemployed and had next to no help off no * I would 100 percent pick the high salary. Why care about a society that doesn't give a * about me ? For me my aim is to look after my family best I can and if that means being selfish then so be it.

I honestly am at a stage of my life were I'm so skint I don't care about anyone else but my family ( Gf and son ) so as soon as I'm working which will be in next few weeks I wont care about anyone else. As when your down in dumps like now it's easy to see that no one gives a * about me either. ( well society doesn't ).

Thatcher is still an old midden but

 

Again, this is all relative. You've not been working, but you've still had running water, you're bins are still emptied, you're lights are still on, you still have health care if you need it and if * forbid there is an emergency you will still be answered by the service you require. All these services rely on people who put something back in to the communities they live in.

People in the developed world need to get a sense of perspective, if we ever end up in a state of chaos, I'd be confident these people would be valued highest, not your bankers, not your venture capitalists, but yer nurses, yer bakers, yer electrician.

Jeeso, i sound like an anarchist!

 

I only have a roof over my head becuase my Gf works and pays for it and pays for the food etc. there's water all over the world it's hardly a luxury

 

Jungo, you're a walking illustration of what I'm on about.

 

No.

Water isn't available all over the world. Far from it.

 

Well excuse my country for having a bit of brains and being able to look after its people by doing something as simple as making water available to all.

The fact other country's don't have a brain cell between them isn't my problem. Is it so hard to all stick together and get a water system going ? I think not especially if most country's have managed it fine already

 

Giz the dosh * yez

 

I'm not even going to bother.