One for the Irish

I'd say your right she sounded just like a plant, but it backfired with martins response as most people still have a patriotic feeling of a 32.

 

The reason you are partitionist? It's in that answer there.
You won. You got your freedom. When the very same organisation tries to win their people theirs in the very same way they did to win yours it's different?
Don't get me wrong as most will tell you i am the first to point out the Provo's failings but if you can't see what they started in the 60's and the reasons for it then there's no hope for you (in fact the IRA have never not been at 'war' with Britain since the Uprising).

And this comes from a so-called 'Brit' like myself :smiley-laughing002:

 

From my uni days I have a lot of friends from N Ireland and ROI.

In my experience those who belonged to the South really couldnt give a toss about either group in the North. I played in a football team where more than half the squad was Irish and to a man they couldnt care about Northern Ireland, the region or the football team. They couldnt give a toss about Celtic as they all supported Man Utd or Liverpool. And they couldnt give a toss about the religious tribalism surrounding all of the above.

The Northern Irish guys were far more partisan. Most supported Celtic/Ireland because they were catholic republicans, and they supported Rangers/Northern Ireland because they were protestant unionist. To be honest almost every one I met who supported teams on this basis were imbeciles. The more intelligent ones seemed to just support rugby, the EPL, or whoever their local team was, solely to avoid the connotations of picking one over the other. Sadly I knew a few guys who felt they couldnt support N Ireland or ROI due to all the baggage associated with it. They just stuck to following Scotland as they were studying here. I also knew of a couple of protestants from N Ireland who supported England as their nation ahead of NI.

Confused doesnt even begin to describe them.

 

whats your views on the IRAs punishment beatings? drug smuggling? gun running? racketeering? extortion? money laundering?

very patriotic and republican alright!!:bbpd: you cannot support an organisation who harms the society they are supposedly fighting for!

 

It's easy for those in the south to make comments about the validity of the Provos or the general situation in the North, I think a lot of people down there are happy enough that they've got their freedom and are willing to sacrifice their brothers and sisters in the north still living under occupation.

To see the rows of West Brits lining the streets to greet the British Queen was sickening and an embarrassment to Ireland.

 

Drug smuggling? You must believe everything the media tells you. The 'Old' IRA harmed the society they were fighting for too but that's ok isn't it?

 

Thats what i said earlier in the thread but men like him would ignore that sort of thing, after all it was the Old IRA that did it, it was for a cause

 

you must believe everything that mcguinness and adams tell you?

 

you cant compare like with like, different times, circumstances and situations.

 

maybe it was time to move on? show the world we werent stuck in the past? did mcguinness not meet and greet the queen in belfast?

 

In your opinion,
Not the opinion of the Cathloics that had to live in the North in the 60s/70's..
Second Class Citizens in there own country.

 

Sinn Fein's economic policies are all over the place, they have in the past advocated a 50% corporation tax rate that would absolutely kill the economy stone dead. They are not clear, coherent and are a bit all over the place. Their economic policies are all over the place, its not all about running around shouting for a united Ireland and all that craic, which is their mantra, thus appealing to the uneducated, lower working class, who dont understand economics for a start.

 

The priminster James Craig stated "A Protestant Parliament for a Protestant People"
Catholics were denied housing jobs healthcare in heir own land!

 

my opinion and the opinion of many many more in the republic, believe me!!

 

Stuck in the past?! What exactly is in the past? Are people not still being interned? Are Republican areas in the Six Counties not still coming under attack from Loyalist thugs? How can you move on when a big chunk of your country is still occupied by that woman's nation and military?

Yes Adams and McGuinness greeted her, but you won't find me saying many kinds words about that pair of hypocrites either.

 

Through your eyes. Try through a people's eyes that truely feel oppressed and down trodden, and if they stick there head above the parapet their beat and I mean beat down.

 

thats fair enough, at least you say what you feel, most posters here have done the opposite, all up the RA and sinn fein and all that craic but really havnt a clue about politics and policies and what sinn fein, adams and mcguinness actually represent, thats the point i try to make, sinn fein appeal to the voters whom havnt the knowledge or education to know any better and they would absolutely destroy the country if they ever had any power and the voters in the republic know that.

 

ah come on, stop playin the martyrs will ye.

 

Every single thing you have mentioned there applies as much to the "Old IRA" as it does the Provo's apart from the drug dealing which applies to neither.

 

Agreed with you there, but then again show me a political party that is clear and coherent and isn't all over the place with there promises and policies.

Very disrespectful to the working class ( by the way I didn't realise there was a "lower working class" )

Very disrespectful to the uneducated as a signigant number of policticians and successful buiness people who run the country would have left school young with no exams. These would be considered 'uneducated' !