Kris Commons

Haud the bus. You think dropping commons was a corrective measure for being too open? hes not a winger pal. he doesnt give us width. he is an attacking mid/deep lying forward. he plays centrally. Did u not watch the game and witness the improvement in our team when Commons came on against Maribor at home? How about Motherwell at home (a game in which we were behind) and both Commons and Brown came on, and only then did we start to create any half decent chances? You realise your talking about a player who was our top scorer and arguably our best player last season? Beggars belief mate.

Playing Commons and playing tactically too expansive are too totally different things.

 

We where going through against maribor until the last 45 when commons came on and we lost 1-0 the only half we lost against maribor so yes dropping commons was the correct measure for being to open, he doesnt work as hard enough closing down even stokes was a diffrerent player in terms of closing down against zagreb but commons still couldnt be bothered his * and half heartedly closed down and at the end of the day hes no where near good enough for a free role or too work less hard then the full of the team.

 

This season, barring Craig Gordon, name me a Celtic player who is playing well? Who isnt inconsistant this season? You would have Commons out of the squad (arguably our best strike of a ball in the team and biggest goal threat) and play Stokes? Inspite of the season he had last year? Short memory man.. absolutely cookoo.

 

So you blame Commons for the goal and for our exit? mental.

 

Almost everyone on here was screaming out for a 3 man midfield away in Maribor. Who out the team that played in Warsaw would you drop to play that way? It has to be Commons pal. He has to be the one that is sacrificed, and he was, and we looked far more solid away in Maribor. Right or wrong?

I was very frustrated with our first half performance against Maribor, as I thought we sat far too deep. However, remember that we were also still going through. Even though we had played poorly, I can't remember Maribor creating anything of note in the first half against us. To be honest, the game looked like it was heading for a 0-0. We hadn't looked like scoring, and Maribor didn't look good enough to break us down with the 3 men in the middle of the park.

I don't think he was our best player last season to be honest. Commons is a player who if he isn't scoring goals, he doesn't offer a massive amount to the team in my opinion. Even look at the game last week against Zagreb, he got his goal, and was the worst player on the park after it. There was games last season it was the same. The game away at Rugby Park he had been woeful, then scored a hat-trick :smiley-laughing002:

I would still have Commons playing in all our domestic games, I've always said that. He carries a huge goal threat domestically, however, in Europe, and folk are screaming out for a 3 man midfield, he has to be dropped.

 

Ronny cant seem to win with regards to Commons ..hes ok a * league and not good enough for Europe in the position he plays.
Ronny dropped him and took pelters for it ,reinstates him and takes pelters for it.
Maybe the problem is Commons in the dressing room,does anybody know when his contract is up ?
Yesterday on the BBC gossip section,a certain paper whose name i shall not mention were reporting that Commons was to be offered a new contract with a possible coaching role..
Not sure if there is any truth in it but i could see how that could be used as a sweetener to change negative attitudes that could be affecting the players in the dressing room.

 

Aye, he is in a lose lose situation with some fans regarding Commons I feel as well.

 

The answer to this Murphy is there's a big difference in a solid away performance and a game at home. Always has been, always will. You approach the two games differently.

 

Exactly. Commons hasn't been great but you could say that about most the team. Also a * Commons is still our top scorer. The way some * talk about him on here is unreal, think he's the new Sammy with all the abuse he gets.

 

The fact is though mate, we were still progressing to the Champions League group stages at half time at home to Maribor. We had been poor, but they hadn't threatened much at all. When Commons come on, we created more, no doubt about that, but we looked far more suspect when they countered us. The game opened up in all honesty. Deila has been in a lose lose scenario regarding Commons since Maribor away. How many fans were not happy when he was left out that night, even though it turned out to be the correct decision. Commons for me is a luxury player, and domestically, that is fine, we can afford one, in Europe, we cannot. We simply aren't good enough to have a luxury player at that level in my opinion.

In the qualifying rounds, you would approach the home and away games differently depending on what has happened in the previous leg. We had no real reason to go out chasing the game at home to Maribor, we were in the driving seat, so when Deila picked almost the same team that played the first leg, and put in a very good performance, I wasn't complaining.

 

I really don't know how to explain my idea on Commons but I feel that his greediness can be to the detriment of whole team, while he gets the goals he can play utter * in the process just because he is so greedy.

Spoiler

he is becoming our Kris Boyd

 

Maybe we see things differently, i appreciate your point of view. Mayb Commons just isnt for everyone. but id have sacrificed Stokes or Berget instead of Commons in that maribor away tie. A player who hasnt scored a european goal in 15/16 games now in Stokes? Or a player who plays with no urgency, no heart like Berget? regardless we got the result that night. but in the home leg vs Maribor i felt like the only time we looked like scoring was when Commons came on.

 

He can be but i think he is the closest thing we have to a talisman. I think his shooting ability justifies this sometimes. A member of this forum put up stats that showed macgregor as our greediest player with most shots and i think even he should be allowed this when he is on the park he looks like one of our more dangerous players that look like scoring! with that said i think Guidetti looks like when he reaches a decent level of fitness he will provide a bigger threat and hes done well so far.

 

Where would you have played Commons in Maribor though? That is more what I'm getting at. If he plays, it has to really be in behind the striker, which would leave us with 2 central midfielders, which seems impossible for us to do, according to many on here. I'm not a huge fan of Stokes or Berget either mate, although Berget did play a big part in the goal in Maribor.

You are right, and I said as much to Devlin also, that when Commons came on in the home game, we did look more dangerous, but in my opinion, we also looked more likely to be hit on the break as we had one man less in the middle of the park. We didn't need to go hunting for a goal, it would have been good to get a bit of a cushion, but a 0-0 would have done us. Maribor hadn't created really anything, and the game had 0-0 written all over it in my opinion. I'm not saying Commons is to blame for the goal we conceded of course, but we did look more vulnerable second half to the counter attack I felt, and the game opened up.

 

I thought first half we looked like it was only a matter of time until we went down. We were being outplayed the full game.

Still though, I've always said I want 3 men in midfield and Commons.

 

I'm not even talking about this season im talking about last season and the season before he is a very inconsistent player, for example the game away to Kilmarnock last year he was dreadful for 45 minutes but then goes on to score a few goals and no one remembers the performance just the goals. When the goals are flying in for Commons he's not worth having in the team he is the focal point of the team if he plays bad the rest of the team play bad as he is who a lot of our attacking play goes through and when he loses the ball more than half the time this breaks down our attacking threat and in return leads to the team not playing as well as they could be.

 

Not once did I say that. You asked if dropping Commons was the right measure for Maribor and it was if we where going through until he came onto the pitch and we went more attacking. If we had kept the 3 in midfield we would have been less liable to be hit on the break like happened and would probably still be sitting in the champions league.

 

They had kept the ball well, mostly in their own half as we had gave them easy possession, but I don't remember Gordon having to make any save of note. I was disappointed at how we had played, but at no point did I think it was only a matter of time before they scored. The game opened up a lot more second half I felt though.

 

True, he did. I think now, Commons would defo play before Berget but at the time Berget had recently come off the back of that 2 goal league game so maybe that cemented his place in that game.

I would never sacrafice one of the midfield men for him, the change would have to come in the attackers. We need the protection of three out and out midfielders when we are playing 3 forwards, especially when Izzaguirre is itching to run into the opponents final third. I know we need a main striker so its a dilemma. but the fact remains he is a top scorer for our club. Simple as that. Take away Commons, take away goals and chances of winning a game. I think he has won us far more games than he has cost us.

Stokes should have been dropped long before now. Pure tangent but just hasnt done it and has been given more than enough chances.

 

our best attacking player by a long long way .