Scott Brown

we have tried with brown for the last 3 seasons and not won the league.lets try without him and see what happens

 

Same difference. If you read gunts posts, that's what I'm getting at. We've tried the two wingers/two strikers and it does not work.

Last season, we found a formation which involved 3 central type players and we were almost unbeatable.

 

Two v three in the middle of the park is a no no. We can't let it cost us points again. Back then all teams were much more attacking btw.

 

Yes it's not so much 2 attacking wingers per se, but more attacking wingers in a 4-4-2/4-2-4

The second part is implied (well, actually explicitly stated at points by gunt) with the Mowbray disaster and then at our worst points last season with Lennon.

If we continue with 2 up front, we should not be playing 2 attacking wingers.

(Barcelona are a bad example as they play a 4-3-3 system completely different to anything we've ever attempted)

*edit*

and to bring this back on topic before I get a row

What the above means, is either:

Commons.............................................
................Ki/Ledley....Kayal........Brown..

or

............................................Commons.
Ledley........Ki/Brown...Kayal...................

 

Spot on mate

 

I think it's one holding midfielder, Busquets.

 

Jonathan Wilson calls 2011 Barca shape a 4-1-2-3

but I would call it 4-3-3 as holding midfielders are often considered part of the broader midfield.

 

They've always got a 3 v 3 in the middle of the park and we know how Messi and Pedro work back also. I'd love us to try this shape out although I don't think we have the correct attackers.

 

I like the look of the 4-3-3. Would mean either dropping Commons or using him as a striker which would probably be better cause Commons floats out of position a lot anyway hence scoring so many goals from midfield.

Id prefer Kayal - Ki - Brown though. Ki as our Steven Gerrard taking pop shots at goal whilst Brown and Kayal cover defensively. Ki and Kayals forward passing is extraordinary at times and lets not forget Brown had the highest assist rate of any midfielder in Celtic last year (SPL at least)

 

the team wins inspite of Brown. we are getting short changed with him playing, he * the game up more times, than the Ref with bad passes

 

Was well impressed by Brown today.

 

I want to like him but I still believe he is holding the team back

 

you are completely wrong mate you only need to look at last season we won most games when brown played and lost or drew most when he didn't play

 

Brown was much better today. Hope he keeps it up.

 

Played well today i thought, started to tire at the end though.

 

i dont need to be reminded, about last year and the year before that.
but what i do know he aint a 5million pound player and he hasent had his hands on the leauge cup as a captain and if we have to suffer him this year again second place will be the norm, with all the draws as you say just now, he has been in 3 loosing sides so far. great start:bbpd:

 

9 time out of 10 we lose or draw without brown in the team. There is no doubt he hasn't live up to his hibs form but you need to take into account his family problems and injury problems. Last year he showed in glimpses what he was able to do and this season I expect a lot more from him individually but he is a great team player even when not playing well, he gives 100% every game and that has a great effect on the team it makes everyone perform to a higher standard