Scott Brown

am i right in saying broons only tasted victory against the huns once in the spl?last OF of last season when the title race was over-to the OP its like this mate-broon in the team = huns win the league end of

 

when we won league cup he was outstanding,i just feel the managers should give him the freedom to hit box more often and a ki,ledley or kayal to hang back

 

lenny rates his game because lenny did the same job for us but yet again some fans slaughtered him because he didnt beat players, square passes, remember. sb and in his day lennys job was to break down oppositions play, win the ball back. scott can be overbearing on the pitch at times just like lenny only more engery.

 

Those are fundamental basics of any player in my opinion and your right in the sense that it's not just about that, he should be doing that plus adding more. You hand me a Celtic jersey and I will 'harry and track' all day long, it won't make me a great midfielder.

Great players and great sides do that and add more, for all Spain's technical ability, you watch how hard they work to get the ball back when they lose it. Now, I'm not comparing Celtic to Spain for a minute, but my point is a midfield player needs to do more that the basics like track and harry. Lenny was a great DM because he knew how to time a tackle perfectly and compensated for his lack of pace by being ahead of the game, Scott Brown has neither.

This guy had fundamental flaws in his game that he will never get rid of.

 

never thought id say this but , brown was coming in to a good game before he got crocked and he has been missed big time !

 

dont kid yourself. Broony has an engine that very few other pros can match. Tracking and harrying may be only one part of the game but very few people have the engine to do it like Broony and none of our CMs is remotely as good at it at present (Kayal remained esentially untested having had a couple of good and a couple of bad games). Broony;s engine is truly exceptional. As for Lenny. He was very good at tracking but that was all he could do. He was a specialist in one area and was extremely limited in all other aspects of the game, more limited than Broony who can at least twist and run and has mobility. Almost all of Lenny's passing was simple sideways stuff, the sort of stuff Broony gets grief for. Lenny to me was a guy who was a 10/10 at tracking but a 5/10 at almost all the other aspects. Now Lambo really was exceptional and a complete CM, on a different level above most of our modern CMs including Lenny. He was brilliant at reading the game defensively and was also very cultured with a range of passing and a superb shot too. He also had a really good controlled temperament. His CL medal is testament to that.

 

I agree. Lenny probably sees a lot of himself in Broony. Its frankly odd that fans cant see that Broony is like a young Lenny (OK with a bit to learn) with the added bonus of mobility and the ability to twist and turn and run with the ball into space. I think Broony has been terribly unlucky with injuries affecting him. When fans still couldnt see his value in his (largely) excellent form before his injury even though everyone in the game really rates the guy and every manager plays him, then my suspicions that for some fans his face will never fit were confirmed. Its like when he is rated after a game he has 2 points out of 10 knocked off just for being Broony. I have been following football for over 30 years and I have never seen a player so unappreciated by fans nor have I seen such a discrepancy between fans and pros opinions of a player. The only conclusions I can reach is that, while some criticisms are valid, there is an extra level of dislike of Broony and unwillingness to show him credit that has to do with his image or how people see him. There are a number here who have almost pathological and at times irrational obsessive dislike of Broony. NOTHING will persuade me that some people deep down think he is is some sort of hun skinhead in the hoops.

 

Scott Brown - nearly as big an imposter as the Greek tragedy.

Should have been punted long ago.

 

If you look at the last 4 managers who have had access to Broony and McCourt every one of them always plays Broony and rarely plays McCourt. Go figure. Fans are irrational creatures whose likes and dislikes and analysis is emotional and effected by a number of biases. The people who have been in the game for decades and whose * is on the line always play Brown and never play McCOurt. Yet fans treat Brown like a bad smell and McCourt like a hero. Give me the pros opinions every time over the fans. For fans its like a popularity contest and only part of that has to do with football.

 

This is where you continually let yourself down for me Gunt, players that were know huns have been accepted by Celtic fans for years, from Kenny Dalglish to Davie Provan, Paul Lambert, Craig Burley and Craig Beattie.

I was actually happy when the guy signed as I thought he was a good prospect, even though it was common knowledge he grew up supporting them. Is it so hard to believe that people have a different opinion from you without it being sinister?

My reasons are this:

He has a poor first touch
He can't play a pass
He has poor decision making
He doesn't score enough
His idea of a tackle is clattering into an opponent
He has a tiresome tendency to hit the ball to far ahead of him and lose it
He has poor discipline.

No hidden agendas, just simple opinion. No one wants him to succeed more than me, but he's had more than enough time to prove himself to be the squillion pound player we keep hearing he is, he hasn't done it.

 

Who even mentioned McCourt ?!?!?!

 

Its called lateral thinking. The issue of fans and managers being totally out of step with each other is true for both the Broony and McCourt debates. Managers love Broony and dont rate McCourt, fans love McCourt and dont rate Broony. They are both examples of how fans have blind spots for both the qualities of some players and the failings of others. You have to accept that the opinions of three or four managers (which is consistent regarding Brown and McCourt) has to be given more credence.

 

I acknowledge the many flaws in both players games.

 

fair enough but it doesnt come across that way with a lot of fans. You would still think Broony was dug dirt and McCourt was some sort of legend from the postings here.

 

Scott Brown is the perfect exampleof a good athlete being paid a lot of monay to be a footballer, which is isn't very good at.

He has a very good attitude which managers like & this gets him to high places.

Much like Crosas is very good technically, but has a poor attitude towards SPL football, in that he will get over-run & bullied off the ball.

Brown is suited to SPL football cos he gives his all & can run all day - that's what he does & that's why SPL managers like him, technical ability doesn't really come into SPL football - not really.

 

I think though Broony's game has developed. At Hibs he had a near free role and was basically playing fantasy football and really knew very little about playing a controlled role or positional discipline. I think that has all been added to his game over his stay with Celtic. I think he has had the problem of rarely being paired with a natural sitting player or DM. He has had to learn the DM role and many fans have failed to understand he is being instructed to be the last CM man and to play the safe ball rather than try to beat men or do risky passes. I have actually been impressed by the way he sticks to instructions when clearly he naturally has more attacking instincts. Most of the time we have 2 wee wingers plus a less defensive CM paired with Brown. Broony simply had to play a more defensive and safety first type game. One pairing I think could be extremely strong would be Kayal and Brown. Kayal could actually allow Broony to play his natural game.

I have to say though people are unfair when they claim Broony is all just dig and hastling. He does have a good ability to twist and pivot into space and he is a good runner with the ball when there is space.

 

He does seem to play better for Scotland especially in an attacking sense, as he's given that role..ish.

I like him & all managers like his attitude & never say die approach, we really missed him in the Rangers/Hearts games.

It's hard to say Kayal as a good partner, as we've not seen enough of him, if it's a 4 man midfield, then I'm sure it'll be Ledley/Brown.

If we got offered £5million & Kayal was fit, would we take the money?

 

YES!! Would bite your hand off for that much, even half of that I would take for him.

 

All true.