UCL Last 16: Celtic v Juventus Chat

The ball wasn't in play and Buffon was progressing to where exactly?

 

Until such times as Buffon is actually impeded there is no foul.

Arguing otherwise is just taking a biased view to the extreme.

 

End of the day, no matter your bias or blindness, there is no way in * this is legal and the ref should have clamped down on it.





Seriously; how can you defend that?!? It's rugby, plain and simple. Hooper is doing NOTHING wrong whatsoever, yet is getting grabbed by multiple Juve players. Brown, Commons and Forrest got that treatment as well. You can call it "being clever", or "bending the rules". Whatever, it's cheating in my language.

 

1) Buffon was going to move forward, like every goalkeeper does at every single corner kick. I know that, you know that and, crucially, so did Hooper.

2) Buffon is being impeded. Would you have been happier Lichsteiner didn't stand there, but the referee whistled a foul in Juve's favour every time Hooper stood there?

3) All the other contacts during corners would have made for extremely soft penalties. They're things that happen during every match. If you're going to give a penalty for that you might as well give a penalty every single time any team has a corner.

 

No, every time a corner is given against you if you grapple, pull shirts and push players.

Look at our defending of corners compared to yours. Can you not see a difference there?

 

Well he moves forward and gets a free kick then.

Who's to say Hooper wouldn't have made a move to the near post or pulled off to the back post? When have you ever heard of a striker standing still at a corner.

The problem was he wasn't even given a chance to prove he wasn't going to impede Buffon, but if he was then it is the referees job to stop it NOT your defenders.

Buffon is not being impeded, your defenders made sure that wasn't going to be the case.

that quote says more about Italian football than anything else.

If you think that is acceptable then * it, what's the point even debating?

 

Firstly, no you wouldn't. I've never seen any team wrestling quite as much at corners as you did the other night. Secondly, how can you say that those would have been soft penalties and yet in the same breath say:

So it's a foul every time Hooper stands there, but not every time he's hauled away by the shirt? Wrestling at corners is something which happens at every corner in every game, but not marking? Buffon cannot have been obstructed at corners because he was not moving. Hooper was standing his ground. If Buffon had been running towards the ball and then Hooper had come and stood in his way, then it would have been obstruction. If a player is standing there, no contact, in front of a player who's not moving, that can't be obstruction.

 

Buffon isn't being impeded ffs, standing still is not obstruction! Hooper wasn't physically touching ANY Juve players, he was just waiting for the corner to be played, which always took about 4 minutes due to your players' wrestling and time-wasting tactics.

What do you want to happen? No players allowed in the box just incase one of them maybe stands near the goalkeeper? Buffon is one of the oldest and best keepers in the world, if he can't handle some players near him he should quit football. The GKs are always best protected by the refs, if they come out to make a punch and fall over or collide with a player it is ALWAYS a freekick to the keeper.
If this happened on every corner I certainly wouldn't have complained, because that is what most refs do. We are angry because the ref was *, weak and let you away with things you shouldn't and wouldn't normally have been let away with.

 

I'm not talking mince. The way you're talking we created chance after chance, missed penalties and were dead unlucky which certainly wasn't the case. We slung cross balls into players who can't get near to winning headers. Not the best plan for me anyway.

Juventus got it right. We didn't.

 

He is! I've even quoted from FIFA's regulations to emphasize it! Again: ""it is an offence to restrict the movement of a goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him e.g. at the taking of a corner kick". Whether he is physically touching Buffon or not is irrelevant. He positioned himself right in front of Buffon with the sole intention of restricting his movement, there's no doubt about that. If it's allowed in other matches, then that's great for Hooper, good for him in taking advantage of referees unwilling to enforce that rule.

In my eyes it's a sly, underhand tactic that is tantamount to cheating.

 

You're * at it.

 

So the FIFA rules state that no player can be within 67 miles of a goalkeeper, for fear of maybe possibly sort of nearly almost obstructing or impeding him? That's bullshit. Where do you draw the line?
For me, I draw the line at actually * grabbing hold of somone!

As I said, 90% of corners I see every game, the keeper comes out and clashes into players, and the ref instantly blows and gives a free kick to the defending side. This happens to Forster, Buffon, and every GK on Earth. GKs are the best protected players, so you didn't need Lichsteiner rugbytackling Hooper with both arms.

If Hooper had stood infront of Buffon, like every player for every team in every box is ALLOWED to do, Buffon had raced out and caught the ball but fallen over Hooper, and the ref had gave you a freekick I wouldn't have gave a *, or even blinked, because that's normal.

What is not normal, or legal, or fair, is physically accosting an opposition player time and time again and getting away with it. The ironic thing is we're meant to be a physical British team with no skill or technicality, yet Commons and Izaguirre were the most technically gifted players on the pitch last night and Juve were all bullies!

 

Chance after chance may be a bit strong, but we certainly created a lot of chances. Far more than Juve. Some of them very good chances. We got our tactics spot on, all that let us down was finishing and poor defending when Juve countered.

 

How it could have all be so different if we had Sammy
He would have ran at them and dribbled past them like Forrest was supposed to do, and is the only player in our side who can actually head it. One of those 9359435435934953 crosses would have gone in!

 

You draw the line at a player intentionally positioning himself in front of the keeper at every corner in order to obstruct him. There's an interesting blog here that talks about the subject: http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/9527

Also, with all due respect to Izaguirre and Commons, who seem to be good players, but calling them more technically gifted than - say - Pirlo (not to mention Marchisio and Vucinic) is slightly inacurrate.

 

He doesn't mean all the time, he meant displayed on the night. I would agree there, even though Pirlo etc. are streets ahead technically, normally.

 

Ah fair enough, I'll concede that :icon_mrgreen:

 

Even Italians agree with us!

Gianluca Vialli: Defenders grappling with strikers is normal in Serie A.. but Juve took it too far against Celtic

Well, one Italian.

Yeah obviously Commons isn't better than Pirlo point blank, but on Tuesday the Great Maestro was redundant. He did * all except punch Scott Brown's boot whilst lying on the floor

* * football. How can Chelsea defend and win the CL, Celtic defend and beat Barca, yet Celtic try and attack and play good and lose 3-0?!? * sport, i'm gonna take up * golf or horsing or some *. * this.

 

Well its taken me 2 days to be able to comment here on Tuesday nights game. For me my over riding emotion is one of frustration. I felt in the general run of play we played well. Better even then I expected and created some decent chances and the fact that we earned double digit corners goes a long way to show how much pressure we put them under in the game.
Now granted playing Ambrose in hindsight was a mistake. I am sure Lennon would admit that in private. However for me it is a measure of our performance on the night that despite Ambrose we still did enough to get a result. Sadly the game was decided by a ref and his asistants who refused to give us a pk and red card Lichtsteiner. Had the ref given us a pk who knows what would have happened. Persoanlly I think the worst would have been a draw.
Having said all that Tuesday was a real lesson for our players and hopefully they will learn from it because we did a lot of things right. Obviously it would be insane to think the tie is anything but over but I really hope and believe we will go to Turin with our heads held high and put on a performance and get a good result so we can walk away from this Champions League campaign in a manner that befits how well we have played overall to date.

Last comment I want to make is about Juventus and the contempt I now hold them in. Celtic like any other club will lose games. Sometimes it will be because we were screwed by the ref, somtimes because we played badly sometimes because the opposition were just flat out better. But Tuesday night I watched a team with a clear plan going into the game to play in the most cynical manner possible. The fact they should not have been allowed get away with doesn't change the fact of the way Juventus approached the game. As such for me I feel nothing but contempt for Juventus and not just in the Quarter-Finals do I hope they get pumped but any time they play.

 

It exists to stop people gaining an unfair advantage by (without making any attempt to play the ball) attacking the space the player is occupying and thus restricting his movements OR attacking the space the player is moving into and thus restricting his movements. It does not apply to where you station yourself before the ball is kicked. You can stand anywhere you like. There is no law dictating where you can/can't stand at a set-piece.

This.