Lennon threatens to quit...

Strachan guided us to the last 16 of the champions league and won 3 in a row but was certainly not exempt from criticism. Lennon deserves to be criticised if people are THEIR MONEY and taking TIME out THEIR day to see their team getting beat by sub-standard teams week in week out.

 

People pay hard earned dosh to attend games,if they are watching absolute * performances,they are entitled to criticise.

Neil Lennon is not above or beyond criticism.

 

If look at the picture the guy is giving verbals infront of his players and management team , is lenny just meant to take it and lose respect of the players in the dugout ,we also had a go at mowbary for not standing up and showing passion ,we cant have it all ways ,lenny reacts to abuse and so he should as most people would , get aff his case about this , the team are poor in the league he has to deal with this ,let him .

 

November is always anti-Lennon month.

I'll just let it pass.

 

I agree with most of this and totally support Lenny in his response, but I dunno about that last part (which I've put in bold). I think it illustrates that this problem goes much deeper than just football in this country. If you work in the service industries like so many of us these days then that's exactly what does happen: a minority of people will turn up at your work and give you dogs abuse about the job you're doing . They'll even give the same "justification": "we're paying your wages". A few people in these industries are lazy or useless and taking a wage they don't earn- the same for a few managers in footy- and arguably just possibly deserve it (I say arguably because I personally don't think anyone deserves to take abuse at work, useless or not); but the vast majority (as with football managers) are reasonably intelligent, hard-working people who really don't deserve this.

One question people should ask themselves is whether they are doing as good a job at their work as Lenny does at his. I'm pretty good at my (admittedly fairly easy) job; but I think Lenny does his (much more difficult) job better than I do mine. If the guy in the photo is similar to the people who give service staff abuse, then I'm willing to bet he's nowhere near as good at his job as Lenny is at his.

 

Neil Lennon isn't contributing to his wages. This man is contributing to Lennon's.
Big difference there pal.

 

I think what he's saying is that if Lenny goes into a guy's shop and buys something but gets * service, then he is contributing to that guy's wages - but probably won't start calling him a * and all that if he doesn't get good service.

 

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* sake. Look at what you have just written.
Major differences between Lennon and someone working in the service industry?
Lennon is not in the service industry - he is in the Football industry.
Lennon is not paid £6.20 and hour - he is the highest paid manager in the SPL.
Lennons performance is measure in results - not measured in how clean he can get a set of toilets or how quickly he can deliver a van full of parcels.

Lennon has the interests of major shareholders, fans worldwide and an expectant football world waiting on him delivering a product based on the money he gets and the budget he has to spend on wages and/or transfers - incidently the biggest in the SPL.
Someone cleaning toilets or serving burgers have customers to please.... if you went a toilet and it was minging or your burger was half cooked you wouldn't complain or grumble?

If a multi-drop driver or a cleaner did * at their job they would come for criticism. Just because you are the manager of a football club doesn't mean you should be exempt.

 

Tell me one person on this thread who has been "anti-Lennon"?

Utter * nonsense that.

 

* that * - he'll be deleted pronto.

Tax-free in division 3 ya bawbag :bbpd:

 

I work in a minimum wage job in a service industry and I find the analogy a good one. Lennon is paid more because his job is more difficult; anyone could do my job. He's not paid more to take abuse. I never said Lennon was in the service industries; I used the example of what happens to staff in those industries to illustrate how this kind of thing is a problem in society as a whole in this country, not just in football.

I don't understand why that is relevant to whether a guy should accept abuse. In terms of results, we're still going well in every competition we've played in so far.

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying that he therefore deserves abuse whenever he gets something wrong; or are you arguing that he therefore is doing a bad job? Either way I can't agree and don't understand your logic.

I'd politely complain and ask for a replacement; I wouldn't give abuse. Having worked on the other side of the fence I know how unjustified it is.

Yep, if Lenny were doing a bad job (which he isn't IMO), he'd have to accept criticism from his boss; he shouldn't have to accept abuse from fans...reasoned criticism, sure.

 

Zombie! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

 

well hello their mr * face,hows football wilderness,see you in 10 years,keep looking up-we will be waiting

 

fair enough point

 

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The performances of the team are not good enough in SPL Terms,that is up to the manager to sort it out.

You are easily pleased if you are happy enough with recent results.

 

Lennon deserves the strong criticism...these performances are his responsibility and the bottom line is that Lennon is making far too many * mistakes...

If he lost his next 3 games, he will get sacked...thats how bad it is.

 

No he wouldn't and it would be a disgrace if he did.

 

really?
knocked out of Scottish Cup by a 3rd division team
knocked out of CL and
5 points from last 6 SPL games....

How could you argue against a sacking?

And it would all be his own fault... no one else can be blamed

 

Not happy with recent results and if Lenny were happy with them I'd join the criticism (not the abuse, though). However, he is not happy, accepts this is not good enough and says he will fix it. Don't forget this is a new problem caused by new circumstances and Lenny hasn't come across it before. Lenny lacks experience, we all know that, the reason the guy has grown on me so much (I didn't initially want such an inexperienced manager) is his remarkable ethic of accepting every new problem that comes his way as his responsibility and finding a way to deal with it. That is where he is different from Mowbray. Examples of problems he has successfully dealt with before: lack of pace in our defence making it difficult to attack, his own (at the time) tactical naivety in Europe, giving away silly goals at the start of games, etc etc. I don't doubt he'll fix this one.

 

We WON'T lose to Arbroath(Arbroath aren't a 3rd division team at any rate. Try 2nd division )
There's no disgrace in finishing 3rd in a Champions League group
He won the league last year and he'll win it again this year

I can argue against a sacking because I don't do knee * reactions. Neil Lennon's done a fine job since he took over and, as a young manager, he's only going to get better.