Ki Sung Yeung

Yeah thats basically how I feel

 

McCourt is more creative than Ki, has a better range of passing and his shooting isn't far off Ki's. Sell Ki for £8m and keep a better player who's probably on much less wages, no brainer for me.

 

Right now he is actually about 5th/6th choice - regardless of whether that's because he is on international duty etc.

Ledley, Kayal, Brown, Wanyama and even McCourt are the midfielders being played in a "winning" team thus far.

When Ki comes back, I have serious doubts whether he will displace Ledley or Brown as imo first choice midfielders. Kayal is 3rd in pecking order, and if Wanyama has to be used at defence then Ki moves up a space.

I've no doubts Lennon rates Ki more highly than Paddy McCourt in midfield.

These of course are only my opinions, but they sound about right.

 

bollocks. nakamura is proof that if youre technically good enough then you can dictate a game in scotland, he did it for years. ki can barely do it two games in a row.

mccourt isnt a better player than ki, not in a million years.

he might play well for south korea but who really cares about his form for his national side? not me. he wouldnt make it into our strongest XI, he is our weakest centre mid, he doesnt suit scottish football, cash in whilst we still can.

 

And thats why McCourt struggles to take it round players recently. I'd like to keep both and Ki is a better all round player than McCourt.

 

What....because he's on less money?

 

I was on one of the most popular Man United forums last night (I visit other clubs' forums from time to time to see what they say about our players and Celtic in general) and they were only saying positive things about Ki. A few of them have even drawn comparisons with Xabi Alonso and have admitted that he would be a good buy, even for a team challenging for the EPL title.

I must say, if they came in with a crazy offer, somewhere around the £10m mark, I'd probably sell him. There's no denying his ability, but when you consider how much we got him for and that he's behind Ledley, Brown, Kayal and Wanyama for a starting place right now, it would be an excellent piece of business on our part.

 

I think he's every bit as good mate. He's a better dribbler, something Ki struggles with a lot. I think his passing is better, Ki's passing has been overrated since the day he got here. Only things I'd give Ki over McCourt are long distance shooting( even then mccourt has proved he can do that too) and heading ability. Apart from that don't see why we should keep a player we're getting offered £7m+ for when we've got McCourt who imo can do basically everything he does.

Don't understand your point mate.

 

you do have to wonder though, how much do fans of clubs outside scotland see him play? how many of these man utd fans watch any non-OF games in scotland? id guess that most wouldve formed their opinion of him in the two weeks hes had at the olympics. utds midfield isnt what it should be but ki wouldnt make it into their team just now. he has potential to be a very good player, but he hasnt cemented a first team slot in his time here and id much rather have £6+ million than him.

he might be better value for money than ki, but he isnt a better player, no chance.

 

Methinks they have a case of James McFadden-itis (someone who plays brilliant for their country and hardly for his club).

Watched a few games of a guy performing impeccably for his country and thinking he's a cracker.

Perhaps if they watched a few SPL games v the likes of Inverness away, then they would think different.

 

I think there are quite a few Scots on RedCafe. The guy who started the thread on there is called McGeady10 (wonder what Scottish club he follows) for a start, so I'm sure he will have filled some of them in on the ability that Ki possesses. They will also have watched him playing against Team GB in the Olympics, when he knocked them out last week.

There's no doubt that they don't bother about Scottish football much down there, but they never hesitate in coming and taking our best players from time to time. Obviously, Ferguson knows a talented player when he sees one.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree then because I think he's a better player

 

agreed.

its a bit different someone telling you that player x is decent and you watching him over two years or so and forming your own opinion. if you showed these man utd fans every minute of ki's celtic career i doubt that they would particularly want him. so far its only rumours that the likes of utd and arsenal are interested and SAF and wenger undoubtedly know a player when they see one but i cant see either of them seriously considering ki.

hes a good player but if a bid of £7m comes in then it would be best for all parties if we were to part company imo.

 

Paddys good against either poor or tired opposition, ki had a great 2010 World cup, played well for us in the europa league imo and had a fantastic olympic games especially against brazils midfield who were forced to double up on him yet they still couldn't touch him.

 

What I keep seeing, and what is annoying, is "Ki is 5th/6th choice".


Let me just explode that myth.

Last season he was the 7th/8th most played outfield player. This is even considering Asian games, other internationals, etc.

When he isn't on international duty, Lennon finds a spot for him. That's a fact.

It's no surprise that Man U, Arsenal are sniffing around; no surprise that he rips it up at international level. I firmly believe that Celtic fans totally, criminally even, underrate him. It's a pure nonsense that people entertain the argument that say Kayal, or Brown are more attacking or creative. I'm not even going to delve into that.

It pains me to see a truly attacking and creative CM being scoffed at. I've said this ebfore, but he consistently has the best goals/assists compared to the other central mdifielders. Yet this is explained away.

err Rant over!

 

So, who will Ki replace then when he comes back?

If we are starting at central midfield - will he replace el Capitano Broon? Naw. Will he replace Super Joe? No chance. Will he replace Kayal? Methinks not. Will he replace Wanyama? Only if Slick Vic needs to go in defence.

Onto the wide positions - will he replace Commons? I highly doubt it. Would he replace Forrest? Possibly, but not probably. Will he replace Samaras? Nae.

So, if you are correct about Lennon always making a spot for him, then who will he replace - assuming that all players mentioned above remain uninjured and do not suffer a dip in form?

 

* people comparing McCourt to Ki. This has now stooped to a new level for people to try and run this lad down.

The lengths people go to on here to make a point is silly. Why don't we just wait and see why happens, like mmmikey says, Lennon seems to always find a spot for him. I guess time will tell.

Either way I hardly doubt we will be worse off for keeping him or playing him

 

Recently McCourt has struggles to get passed players where as in the past he had no problems taking it round 3 or 4 players. I love his passing ability bu recently his dribling has not been to the standard I'd expect.

 

The guy is still only 23 years old, yet there are already comparisons being made with the likes of Gerrard and Alonso, two of the greatest midfielders in the modern era. I think that speaks volumes about his ability.

I would agree that his style of play may not always be suited to the SPL, as he is more of an elegant player, rather than a tough tackling warrior like Kayal and Wanyama. We all know that away games in Scotland are not ideal for players like Ki, but that doesn't mean he is not a good player, with the potential to become a great player. I think we could get more than £7m for him, easily.

 

Kayal methinks not? Why? Remember 3-3? Remember probably the most gutless performance I've ever witnessed someone in a Celtic shirt? He's not untouchable, as much as I like him in form.

Equally, Wanyama, as great a prospect he is, has rarely been a starter and has also been shifted to CB regularly. That leaves Ledley and Brown (the latter who tends to be played on the right)

Why this (again!!) downplaying of Ki? We tend to have the majority of possession, we need the most attacking players possible in every position. Surely we can all agree that Ki offers more goal threat than any other CM?