Wanyama's red card

really wish they'd forget wether studs are up, or if its two footed or whatever. if a player gets all the ball and none of the man, regardless what part of his leg(s) win the ball, its a great tackle. i agree with the precedents set it was a red, i just dont think it should be

 

Exactly, it was a brilliant tackle.

 

it was a silly tackle to make but when you think about heallys tackle on wee james in the new year game big vics was nothing

 

It was a red card. Dived in, two footed, aggressive looking tackle. These type of tackles have no place in football.

 

Tackles are supposed to be aggressive, its not * basketball.

 

exactly. i thought that, for the time being at least, football was still a contact sport.

he was in full control when he made the challenge. nobody was hurt, it was aggressive but not reckless.

i think guidance given to refs on these type of challenges should be changed, even if i know and lament the fact that it wont

 

Never a red imo.

 

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this was much worse and much more dangerous

 

Letter of the law, not saying I agree with it but he's technically right to send him off. Didn't need to go in for it the way he did anyway Whittakers running right at him and looking at it looked likely to do Vic.

 

I know, what do you expect with Collum though?

 

Btw I personally wouldn't have sent Vic off but I can see why the ref did.

 

He gave the ref the option and it was a stupid challenge to make when there was no need for it. I consider it soft and I think the ref had it in for us today, but even so we him the decision to make in both red cards because we didnt defend probably.

When we are diving in to challenges with two feet and when we are getting wrongsided because of our poor positioning we are getting ourselves in trouble and allowing the ref to make choices to send off our players. Our attention should be on remedying our last ditch defending rather than moaning about the referee as that is all we can do really.

 

What are you talking about?? By what reckoning? Where did I say or infer that the ref 'had a blinder'.

Henry's challenge is irrelevant. It should have been a red but a poor ref (that's Winters if you hadn't noticed) made the wrong call. That doesn't mean that all 2 footed challenges from then on have to be allowed.

That it was 6 years ago does matter. Rules change. It has been made clear that 2 footed challenges are outlawed. Anyone not sent off for a 2 footed challenge these days will only get away with it if the ref screws up.

 

It wasn't a dangerous tackle in my opinion because, for me, Wanyama was in control of that tackle. He never even left the ground. It's like he was just standing there and then just went forward and slid in. That's why I highlighted the Henry challenge. The way he went in there was far more dangerous than Wanyama's yet it was only a yellow.

I don't think his leg would have snapped at all mate. It's not like he went charging in at pace and slid in that high and dangerous. Wanyama was looking at the ball and got the ball cleanly.

Shittakers foot coming down on Wanyama was more dangerous than the initial tackle in my opinion.

Murray should have used common sense there and only booked Wanyama.

 

Exactly

THAT was more of a sending off challenge than Wanyama's today.

 

What types of tackles are you meaning? Ones where you can win the ball cleanly from the front while still in control of your tackle?

Unfortunately it's decisions like this that are the reason why football is becoming a non-contact sport. I'm all for stamping (no pun intended) out malicious, dangerous, late and wreckless tackles but not for tackles like Wanyama's.

 

Because you can end someone's career easily if the challenge goes wrong, especially with an absolute tank like Wanyama.

 

However, I agree that it wasn't a sending off. He got all of the ball and none of the man. Even Ally McCoist said it wasn't a red.

He deserved a yellow, not a red.

 

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Go to about 14 seconds and you can see him off the ground. It doesn't look too bad but if Whittaker doesn't decide to put him foot down like that but instead decides to try and slip it to the side then it could very well have meant a broken leg.

Using previous decisions to complain about this one is kind of pointless. Henry's should have been a sending off, no doubt and he was extremely luck to get away with it. The tackle on Forrest was petty and pretty bad but in reality the worst he was facing was a dead leg or maybe an upper body injury and if a ref has got a split second to make a decision he's (excluding incompetent refereeing) always going to send someone off for a two footed tackle.

Just too point out how bad a two footed tackle can be, imagine the full weight of someone like wanyama coming down on your out stretched leg. That is what is happening in a two footed tackle and they can be brutal.

 

He gave the referee an excuse to send him off, studs showing and jumping in two footed.