Ki

The reason I think people blow the effect Ki has on our team out of proportion both ways is the fact that we played absolutely sensational on the weekend and people have talked about Ki more than any players that were actually on the pitch.

 

You serious bro?

Think Ki's set-pieces are a particular part of his game where he lets himself down.

 

Have to agree with this.

 

From the few he takes he's set up a good few goals with them this season or has been part of them. Don't think they are as good as Mulgrews and I'd rather Commons take them from right hand side so it's an inswinger but I'm quite happy with his corners.

Set pieces as well, I don't think I've seen one that he has hit that is actually off target. Commons, Stokes and Chico are all ahead in the pecking order though. I'd like to see him hit more, once seen Stokes overall him 4 times in a row and blast the ball skyhigh 4 times in a row. Was infuritating. Although Stokes seems to be if he gets it on target it's going in

 

Hmmm...not too sure about the first part mate - from the countless corners he has taken this season, I can literally only slightly remember about 2-3 maximum that he has been a part of - I might be wrong, but that's all I can think of at the moment.

I'm happy with Chico, Stokes, Commons taking FK's, if they are not in the team, then let him have a pop.

One of the qualities I know Ki has is a cracking shot on him (left/right footed) - I wish he would just have a crack more ofter - even if it means 2-3 shots are off target a game etc. at least he is having a pop at goal.....surely one of them are due to burst the net

 

I don't think he's been getting in the same positions since his illness, if he got back to his early season form again we'd have a different player on our hands. He hasn't played as well as he can, not particularly badly but when he isn't on top form you simply can't survive in our midfield. Competition for places is immense, I'd rather it was that way.

He needs to start picking his times to head forward and support again though. Something that was crucial for us earlier this season, Ledleys now the man with that task now. Something he has done extremely well recently.

 

Commons takes a far better corner kick than Ki IMO, especially from the right, look at those dangerous looping crosses into the back of the box from him on Sunday.Ki's corners by comparison rarely get by the 1st or 2nd defender these days, that is a waste of a corner, what good is that ?
Bringing all those central defenders up for a ball that never reaches them. It is sign that Ki is low in confidence with such poor delivery and technique when he does that.

I spoke about Ki's great potential three year ago, but he has never realized that potential in the intervening three years. Don't you think we should sell him now with Kayal and Commons back, as he is only going to sit on the sub's bench for the rest of next season if he stays.

 

Commons doesn't play his position.

I'd sell him if we get a very good offer in, otherwise no, not at all.

 

Does'nt look to me he has one ,He has a role to play but I think Lennon has it spot on with him ,Let him roam about behind the front players and swap wings and drift here and there.

Would you sell Commons over Ki ?

 

I wouldn't sell either unless it's a very good offer, makes more sense to sell Ki though. Our side lacks experience, Commons is experienced and we would get more money for Ki.

 

I think we could all agree on that.

 

Same old Venglos. Sticking to his narrative and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Your old posts have relevance because they show that you're aptitude for rating players is non-existent. You like to present yourself as some sage footballing guru, but the truth is quite different. I'm quoting another forum poster here, but you're a complete gold-fish. Your opinion appears to be based entirely on the most recent game you've seen, and you ignore all things before that, and that's when you take reality into account at all.

Evidence for this? You're saying that Ki can be blamed for the 2 cup losses when for one of those he came on the pitch after more than half the game had been played. What's more is that most people agreed we looked a much better side and retained the ball a lot better when he came on!

You thought Forster was a terrible keeper and think that Loovens is the best CB at the club. 'nuff said.


As for Ki's apparent failure to capitalise on his potential: I would argue, as a previous poster did (another post you choose to ignore), that his improved return in goals and assists this year shows a definite improvement.

 

And to add to that format he is 23, not many player 'peak' at that age. I have no doubt a consistent run in the team will show Ki to be the good player that he is and he has the potential with a good run of games to be a Ki component of our team...

 

Hitting a good freekick is a combination of hitting the ball with pace and accuracy, most players could put a real slow freekick on target like Ki can but you woh't score doing that. I'd rather have Stokes taking freekicks than Ki because he has proven he can score them, obviously he hits quite a few off target but I'd rather he did that then hit them with no pace like Ki does.

 

I think Ki's good but he's a luxury player in that he can only really perform in certain environments. I know a lot of people will want him gone because, on the face of it, it's fecking stupid having someone who literally cannot play in some games, but I think he's worth keeping.

Whether we all rate him or not, it's clear many professionals do and believe me if we were to sell him tomorrow we would get 6 million easy.

So he's worth keeping for that alone.

But I do think in easy SPL games or European games against posession and defensive teams, he is vital. I know it would never happen but I would have him over Brown in some games like that. Him and Kayal together, with Ki getting time and space to pick a good pass and control the play and Kayal covering and getting stuck into the opposition.

Until and unless he improves both physically and mentally, then he can never play for us against the huns or in a big Euro match against an attacking team. But there are defo some games, easier and slower games, where he runs the show. Hopefully in time he will be able to run the show in the really big games too.

 

I think some folk are too quick to surrender our chances in the Champions League, in favour of SPL journeymen.

Prime example: Scott Brown. Does OK in the SPL - but let's face it, in a European game against quality opposition, you'd be as well placing an electric haggis in central mid. Completely out his depth.

Games like that need players like Ki, Kayal and Samaras, who will cause genuine problems at that level. Use the Brian Clough approach. Your midfielders don't need to be all-rounders - just put them next to someone who does the things they can't. Kayal and Ki will do the business in the centre - add in Ledley or Wanyama if playing a five.

Ki already cuts the mustard at international level, and he can do the same in the CL. He's a late developer too, in terms of temperament - so he's only going to get better. Definite keep.

 

When has Broony ever looked out of depth in Europe?

 

Long post, but many things are not true.

Ki's passing is on par with the passing ability of our other offensive players, or even better. Clips don't lie about Ki's passing range or ability to keep possession.

Set pieces are good, and he has several assists from them. Free kicks generally force keepers into desperate saves.

I do not mind McCourt's inability to defend. I personally do not have double standards.

 

More to the point, Scott Brown useless in Europe or International level? Sometimes I wonder what games you watch Hand.