Ki

Definitely. Scholesque

 

I already answered - Lennon probably rates other players more than Ki for certain games.

But my problem with your question is that it presupposes a link between ability on the pitch and ability to command first pick for every game. More specifically, that a good player - as I and others claim he is - should be automatic first pick.

This is demonstrably not the case, especially in a team like Celtic that uses squad rotation. Adebayor is undeniably a good player, yet does not start every game for Spurs. Kaka is a great player (shh Peaky) yet very rarely starts for Real, and so on and so forth.


Evidently their abilities are far better than Ki's but, speaking relative to Celtic's level, Ki is a good player. Pointing out that he does not start every game does not say anything about his ability as a footballer.

 

With Adebayor - I couldn't tell you wether he starts every game or not tbh, all i know about that Tottenham team is that they play with 1 up top?

Kaka - A player with great ability, but has yet to show the same level of football with Madrid as his other teams - hence why he has not nailed down a regular starting place.

Lennon rates other players for more "physical" games - probably the reason why Ki does not start the majority of them.

It's the same reason why Samaras is started over Stokes - just because of his height when he wants us to go long up top.

Samaras imo certainly does not have the level of ability as Stokes, and Ki is probably a better technical footballer than the likes of Brown - but Lennon obviously thinks that the team would play better against tougher opposition with those two players out of the team.

This is what I am saying, two players with great ability who do not start every game.

But, again (without any pre-supposing, supposing or any other ings you can think of:icon_mrgreen If ki was such a magnificent player as suggested on here, then he would start every game - despite a lack there of of lack of aggression as opposed to a lack of ability.

Right, i think I've answered that question - so please don't ask me to answer it again until at least tomorrow - my napper is * booming now

 

please explain to me how an image can show athletic ability, I'm confused.

 

Without speaking for anyone else, I don't think Ki is a magnificent player. I think he's a good player and certainly not as bad as made out Venglos and a few others.

I'm glad we agree that Ki's lack of a starting place does not reflect on a lack of ability, simply that his talents are not suited to certain aspects of certain games.

 

Bingo!! He is scared of tackling, because he is a nice guy. And knows his tackles are often late. And thus, very dangerous. If he was mean, then he'd be classified as our Ian Black. Snapping ankles with careless tackles and all that. But he doesn't want to risk crippling an opposition player.

 

Muscular body. No fat tummies, as in Commons' case.

 

I don't that is quite correct. I think Lennon has in the past rated Ki's values far too high and it has been detrimental to our game and silverware tally.I think Lenny has learned his lesson with Ki after two years, remember Ki's shocking performance in the Cup Semi Final with Ross County ? Some on here have very short memories when it comes to Ki, I haven't. I would agree it is wrong to say Ki was the sole reason for losing two leagues and three Cups, but he definitely could be seen as the catalyst of those losses and defeats when you consider the damning stats that have posted on this thread

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In 2010-2011 we won 90% of our games withoug Ki starting and 60% when he started. As of december of this year we had a 100% winning percentage without Ki and a 61% winning percentage with Ki starting.

There have been other factors of course that contributed to those two league and three cup losses, like dodgy refs, poor tactics and other wallopers in the team etc, however Ki has been here the entire three years and has played almost 100 games for us, so he definitely a major catalyst in those losses during his term with us.No getting away from it.

 

You can't lay the blame for a whole league campaign on one player. Well you can and have obviously, but most wouldn't, because it's just plain daft.

He's played plenty this season, scored and assisted a fair few.

The fact that Ki played during that bad november spell when we dropped points so it's his fault doesn't really hold up because he was actaully one of the few players getting pass marks during that run, shambolic defending and misfiring strikers were much more to blame. He only dropped out of the team then because he left to play in Asia at the new year and kayal/ledley hit up a solid partnership while he was gone.

You could just as easily apply your 'logic' here and say Brown is * because he's been here longer, has featured heavily and we lost 3 leagues on the trot. And we only won the one before that because Brown dropped out and hartley/robson took over. But I don't really mean that, because again, it's stupid to blame one player for a whole campaign.

 

Better players than him have came to this league, and found it extremely more difficult to play their game. If he isn't suited to the game, then we should move on the player that Lennon inherited and bolster the squad.

 

I don't believe for a second that anyone on here is naive enough to believe that any of our seasonal failures are down to one person alone....

 

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Tackling itself is basic. But tackling with good timing is most definitely not. Ki has a massive issue with timing tackles right. And that is not easy to fix.

 

Unless I read it wrong, that's pretty much exactly what dr.v was suggesting in the post I quoted.

Ki plays a lot, we don't win the league.

Ki doesn't play (although he has actually played loads this season) and we win it.

 

So, basically it's not his fault he's * at tackling? :icon_mrgreen:

Seriously though - as a central midfielder, I would suggest to him that he puts in the work - they guy is what 6'2 for *'s sake - should be rolling up his sleeves and * using his height and athleticism when not on the ball.

 

With all due respect mate, there is a difference in saying a player has played many times in a loosing team, to saying that one player is the reason why we loose

 

Does a player called * play for Inverness? Ki injured him with one of his tackles. Was a late one. No mal-intent. He's dangerous. If he was fine with going through people, like Kayal and Wanyama, then he'd be sent off every 4-5 games. Because he can't tackle cleanly. Even Kayal has issues with timing tackles. He accumulated many cards in his career here.

 

You make him sound as if he is the most dangerous man in the world

Kayal still has some minor issues with timing, but that does not stop him from doing what he does.

Again, if Ki has an issue with tackling, then he should be working on it.....plain and simple.

 

That's Ki's problem Padmill, and by the way welcome back to the forum you have been missed

We have another big guy in the midfield Georgios Samaras and he uses his height to win headers and is good at tracking back and defending our box at corners, free kicks, why dozen't Ki use his physical attributes to similar use ? Laziness perhaps ?

We used to have another big guy in our midfield Jiri Jarosik and he always put a good shift in too, why can't Ki apply himself like so ?

 

Didn't like Jarosik - thought he was a big dumplin tbh