Ki

Hang on all you moaners! Although I can't remeber specific posts- there were a hellava lot looking for £6m plus when he was hitting decent form mid season for him. Like I always say you can't expect the players to be brilliant all the time. Even Messi missed a pen tonight!!!!

 

I thought this was a forum where people were allowed, and encouraged, to give their views on all things Celtic?

 

People can give their views, but I do not have to agree with them.

 

Absolutely.

 

Technically good player but caught out too much in possession in away games for me. He should improve this aspect. I think we have not seen the best yet.

 

you still havent posted these stats, you are mistaking them for the ones from last year which were proved wrong, and 2 different football websites also say differently

 

I fail to see how posting the European stats would make a difference, it would just lower the win percentage with Ki in the team since we didn't win very often in Europe and Ki played most of those games. The stats I posted from this year were taken from espn soccernet and are correct as far as I can tell. I got the stats from last year from mightymcginn's post in the Victor Wanyama thread and he said his stats also came from soccernet. If you believe the stats to be wrong I welcome you to take the time to do the calculations and post your findngs but I doubt they will be anything different.

Also the stats I posted were only for starts so maybe you are looking at stats that count any game Ki has played in which could give completely different numbers.

 

Again the stats on the 2 sites I posted both say differently, also if you go on the celtic fc website and compare ki's starts to browns we have a better record with ki than we do with brown

 

have you done the math on the winning percentages? If you have then please share the results because I simply don't believe that two different websites would have different results.

As for the statistics pertaining to Brown I would expect the winning percentage with him in the team to be higher than when Ki plays simply because I believe he is a better player, I wouldn't be suprised if the winning percentage when he plays is lower than when he doesn't though because I don't think he would feature in our best midfield were every one fit.

 

He is a good player but one which we can afford to sell. If some English or Russian club are willing to splash the money on him, we should be accepting. The money from selling Ki could get us a very decent centre back or a target man striker or fund the purchase of Fraser Forster. When all of our midfielders are fully fit, he would be lucky to get on the bench imo

 

its impossible to argue that brown is a better player, everyone knows that Ki has more talent in is left foot than brown will ever have, I have shown you where to go to get the stats, they were posted earlier in this thread, and you need to show my the stats you are referencing because last year and at the start of this year hammer basically proved without a doubt that the team was better with ki than brown

 

Why is Ki constanty surrounded with transfer rumours? Doubt he´ll leave for a while.

 

the onus is on you to prove anything I have posted the league stats for this year with Ki in the team vs. without Ki in the team and have told you where I got my stats from. Your unwillingness to post your stats suggests to me that you haven't actually done the math. If you do the math and your results come out different than mine then fair enough but arguing that my stats are incorrect and then not posting any of your own is pointless.

Clearly you rate Ki but your comment about Brown is embarrassig tbh, Ki is a better technical player but in every other facet of the game Brown is much better. I'm not Brown's biggest fan and I don't think he should have a guaranteed starting role like he does but I feel safe in saying that the vast majority of the celtic support would agree with me that he is much better than Ki. Ability doesn't just come down to technique: workrate, drive, pace, and tackling are all important as well. I just don't see what ki has done in a celtic top that makes it "impossible" to argue that Brown is a better player.

 

you must have forgotten to post your stats because you have just claimed that someone else did them elsewhere, you havent actually posted them, and I told you where to go to find the evidence so go and take a look and prove me wrong, and anyone can see that Ki is better in most aspects of the game, its really not even close, brown is not a good football player, ki is more talented, he is a better passer of the ball, he creates more chances, he scores more goals, he doesnt lose possesion as much its quite simple to see that Ki is better

 

I posted the stats for this year right in the middle of page 58 of this thread. As far as this year goes the stats conclusively show we win more often when Ki doesn't start. The stats from last year were done by mightymcginn in anothe thread.I drew my stats from espn soccernet which I believe to be an accurate source.

As far as the Brown vs. Ki debate I agree with you that Ki is a better technical player but if technique were all that mattered Paddy would starting week in and week out. Pace, drive, workrate, and tackling ability are all very important qualities that Ki lacks.

 

you seem to have forgotten then cup final and the sc semi final, you also forgot the stats that show we are even worse with brown in the team, just like last year when we were a better team with ki rather than brown, and pace, drive, workrate and tackling ability are all great, they are not the most important traits, Ki outshines brown in almost every category and does alot more to help the team

 

The only category Ki outshines Brown at is long-range passing. You've just mentioned Brown has everything else and Ki has none of them.

 

I don't think Ki outshines Brown, but neither does the Scot have an awful lot on Ki, either. Both are useful players to have in our squad, but not starters, ideally, IMO.

 

I didn't forget anything, I clearly stated the stats I was posting were only from the league. If there are stats that suggest we are worse with Brown in the team you should post them, I'm not going to go out of my way to do those stats when I don't believe they will show anything, you are welcome to do the calculations yourself if you think they will prove useful to the point you are making.

 

if youactually read my posts I said Ki is better any almost every category, passing, shooting, chance creation

as I said earlier hammer posted the stats for last year in an old thread, and and scott brown has started in the games we lost and drew, its also worth noting that he was horrible in europe