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Tyrrell P34



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Brabham BT46b "Fan Car"

 

Brabham BT46b "Fan Car"

Wasnt it banned after one race as the whole point of it was it made the car stick to the ground.
What and idea it was tho...

 

Contrary to popular belief it wasn't actually banned, the FIA said the car was legal as the fan primarily cooled the engine, Brabham voluntarily retired the car, their team owner was Bernie Ecclestone who was aiming to become the head of the Formula One Constructors Association and he was relying on the other teams support to get the position so pulled the car out of F1, needless to say he got the job.


But your right about one race, it raced in the 1978 Swedish Grand Prix and won it, apparently a back marker car broke down during the race and * oil all over the track and the BT46b had so much downforce that the oil didn't affect it, it just accelerated harder when going through it to create more downforce while all the other cars had to slow down through it. It's also said that the two Brabham drivers, Watson and Lauda, deliberately qualified in 2nd and 3rd place to hide how fast the car really was.

 

The new Red Bull RB9

 

A few more weird ones from the 70's and 80's but although built and tested, none of them actually raced.

Williams FW08B


March 2-4-0


Ferrari 312T6

 

Aye, some amazing looking cars there.

 

New Mercedes,best looking car so far imo.

 

Smart as * Silver F1 cars look class. Still prefer the McLaren though as it has a chrome effect in a certain light.

 

Yeh the McLaren is well smart and all.Like the shape of the Mercedes nose,the gentle slope on it.Looking forward to seeing who's got the edge in the first tests.

 

I think it will be Red Bull, Adrian Newey seems to know his stuff when throwing together a new car. McLaren will have their usual teething problems which they'll sort out before the first race but testing will be pretty uneventful. Mercedes and Lotus will have good cars for testing and at the start of the season, Lotus' car will get left behind at some point through the season when the other teams are updating their cars regularly and Mercedes are touch and go with that, they'll need to up their efforts this year to give Hamilton a chance of winning the championship. Ferrari will have a mediocre car starting from testing and continuing throughout the year with Alonso doing his usual, taking advantage of other teams mistakes and quietly racking up the points keeping himself in contention. Sauber, Williams and Force India will be off the pace as usual from start to finish with a few decent results between them along the way and Toro Rosso will be their usual mediocre selves. Caterham, Marussia and HRT will again just be there to make up the numbers.

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed HRT have chucked the towel in, good riddance.

 

Yea they where never much good but i think the more the merrier, its looking like eventually you will only have 7 or 8 teams as the costs are still too high for a F1 team to set up and design a car..
I seen there is some looking to get the customer car rule overturned which means someone like HRT could buy last years Red Bull or Ferrari and use it this season to keep cost down, i think it would be a good idea..

 

I agree the more the merrier but HRT were struggling to make the time in qualifying just to be allowed to race and on several occasions didn't make it, that's really no good for the sport to have a team that bad in it, it's a bit of an embarrassment. I think that with Austin being given a GP and New Jersey planned for 2014 F1 are trying to break big time into the American market and if it succeeds I think we might see some US based teams looking to enter in the future so that might keep the numbers up. It's a good idea in theory allowing the smaller teams to buy the previous years car from the big teams but I'm unsure if the big teams would let them, there's probably still some parts of the old cars tech that will be used on this years version and they might not want it falling into another teams hands.

 

Yea HRT where more trouble than it was worth at the end...
i read a few things about them looking to get some American teams in which would be great.
The big one that really should be in F1 is Audi but i think they always said they will never compete in LeMans and F1 at the same time..
It was a article on Ferrari where i heard about it first and they are all for it, also RedBull with Toro Rosso im sure would love to be able to give them their car..

Edit: BTW i never seen that Williams FW08B before what a wierd looking car it was :smiley-laughing002:

 

Yeah I think Audi are committed to to sports car racing, I'd love to see what they could do in F1 though.

I forgot about Red Bull and Toro Rosso so yeah I suppose there would be no problem there, I'm surprised at Ferrari being all for it, they usually don't want anything unless it's a benefit to them.

The FW08B is a right weird looking car :smiley-laughing002: the FIA banned it before it had the chance to race saying 6 wheeled cars would drive up costs and cause havoc at pit stops.

 

Supose the way Ferrari would look at it is that they would get some money back for selling it..
* sake never taught of that, would of been comedy in the pit lanes :smiley-laughing002:

 

Yeah money and they'd probably look at the possibility of turning the customer team into a feeder team for them, one where they could dump their young drivers in to gain F1 experience before Ferrari decide if they're good enough to make the grade, similar to Red Bull and Daniel Ricciardo at Toro Rosso.

To be honest I don't really see much of a problem at pit stops with a 6 wheeled car, Tyrrell handled it fine with their P34, I think the development costs were the biggest factor in banning them where some teams could afford to develop a six wheeler and some couldn't. They handled like * anyway because of the massive weight difference between the front and rear due to the extra driven axle giving the car a really light front end causing it to constantly understeer and the weight transfer under braking and acceleration made them unstable, they did have a huge amount of traction though because of double the tyre surface contact at the rear. Pity the FIA didn't leave it long enough to see if anyone could get the weight down and see how good it actually could have been.

 

Sauber C32


Caterham CT03


Marussia MR02


Toro Rosso STR8


They all look kind of *

 

Sauber look class.

You would think with a bit of time and head like Newey working on it a 6 wheel car would be the standard bearer..
Did you ever see car Newey designed if there was no restrictions??
I think it was for a gran turismo game.
Must look it up later when i get a bit of time..

 

The Red Bull X2010

I've lapped Monza in under a minute using that in GT5.

These days the weight wouldn't be as much as a factor in six wheelers as they'd use materials like carbon fibre and kevlar it would be interesting to see what works best in cornering, loads of downforce like modern F1 cars have or the extra traction in six wheelers, also on straights as a six wheel car would require less downforce meaning smaller rear wings and therefore less aerodynamic drag and see if the extra weight is a positive or negative in regards to speed. I honestly think when compared to the technology used on modern F1 cars the six wheel concept is outdated.

There's actually a six wheel sports car you can buy, the Covini CW6

 

i know its early days but marussia and caterham are well of the pace hope its not a sign of things to come