Name one sectarian song our fans sing?

And stop calling the IRA terrorists,the ones who do that are the ones who will not call the Brit army or the Yank army that POV term.It's bullshit.Bet they sing the * Flower of Scotland aswell...hypocrites.

 

I would say Roamin in the Gloamin is sectarian, but fortunately we don't sing that any more.

 

"Neil Lennon spoke out last week, his address aimed at a minority of supporters with a request that those concerned refrain from songs which are 'unacceptable'. There is no black list here and by the same token, there is no white list. However, we all know the songs and we should applaud his stance and ensure his wish is delivered.

There's an interesting side story to this, though. At no point did he use the words bigoted or sectarian. And why would he ? We know that that there is an issue with some political songs here but not bigotry or sectarianism - the type of singing that is outlawed and brings heavy punishment from the authorities.

With that in mind why did some news organisations, like STV and The (Glasgow) Herald - that champion of all things green and white - use sensational words like that in their reporting of it ? Oh, hold on, forgive me, I do know. . .

And what possessed the BBC to suggest at half-time during their TV coverage of the cup final that there was 'sectarian singing' from the Celtic support ? And Radio Clyde suggesting that when Ki did 'The Lenny' after he scored the second best goal of the game, he was making a 'racist, monkey' gesture ?

I really do despair sometimes. And sometimes I think they maybe just don't like us. . . Have we upset them in some way ?

Regardless of their motivation, and we all know there is one and we know exactly what it is, the Celtic fans, mainly through various online communities, know the truth and that truth will spread until those who have an anti-Celtic agenda will need to explain their actions".

 

as most of our songs are about a struggle in Ireland, it can never be said that its sectarian, as the struggle says there where men from all parts of Ireland protestant and Catholic together fighting to free Ireland, that was the real reason, the UK government, are held responsible to making the divide in Ireland as with the famine, they could have eased the plight, the UK are masters of divide and conquer. so here is to those brave protestant men, that gave there life to free Ireland, and if the media
would read up on the history, the IRA where a joint army of all faiths nothing to be
classed as sectarian.

 

It essentially implys that being a Catholic makes you superior to someone who's a protestant.

 

It says it's "good to be a Roman Catholic",and says "* King Billy and John Knox",I fail to see anything sectarian?
It says nothing about the Protestant faith in it,just evil bigots who have abused it.

 

Well why bring it up. it says which sectarian songs we sing now?

 

I think many of you are really deluding yourselves. Sectarianism is any bitter/violent division that means the population splits into factions or sects. Of course it doesnt cover unproblematic divisions but it does cover all divisions that are serious enough to cause a major divide and social problems. Sect is from section/sectional. Sectarian derives from that. The division into sects or groups can be along racial, national identity, religious or political lines or a complex mix of them as is often the case.

The daft history lessons being posted are irrelevant. The division is within modern Scotland and northern Ireland. The division is a combined political/religious division although not a 100% black and white one. The division that divides Scotland into sections and therefore is the sectarian division within Scotland is between Irish republican (mainly) catholic left leaning subculture and the protestant/loyalist/orange British nationalistic right leaning subculture. Both are minority subcultures outside mainstream Scottish culture and the focus of their obsession is shared - Ireland's relationship with Britain. I think its fair to say that in terms of mainstream Scotland that both sides would be considered out of the mainstream in their focus and dont have any political party that represents their package of views closely. I think this finds an outlet in OF football.

The division between those subcultures with their conflicting opinions on Ireland IS the sectarian division of Scotland. I wish people would stop mixing up sectarianism with bigotry. You can bury your heads and see no wrong in your own but believe me sectarianism covers all aggressively antagonistic splits within a population into sects or sectiions that becomes a problem/causes social problems and IT WILL include politics and nationalism as well as religion etc. If there is a crackdown on sectarianism it will include political songs with an anti-British flavour as they will be seen as one sides contribution to the divide. It is an absolute certainty.

 

Wow.....gunt writes another bible.ano that took you a lot of time and effort but chill out.


As I've said before I personally don't think we sing sectarian song. But every man and there dug are just going over the same things.

 

sectarian divides are about modern people now and how they divide into factions and sects in a very antogonistic way. History lessons about Ireland are totally irrelevant. There is a divide there and it is based on politics, nationalism and religion, often wrapped up together in peoples minds (dont bother with the history lesson about protestant republicans please).

Both Celtic and Rangers are characterised by how people who feel especially strongly about repubicanism or loyalism gravtitate towards them. The clubs have become vehicles for people expressing republican or loyalist views. The strange thing is that both these views are small subcultures of people with political views that dont have an actual real political home in terms of Scottish party politics. They have made Parkhead and Ibrox their homes and main outlet for their feelings. The two sides are almost diametric opposites in views on everything so its a pretty deep.

To deny that many fans use the clubs as a focus foe their side of the divide in terms of history nationalism and religion (which overlap to a large degree) would be madness. To not see that divide as a sectarian one is not to understand the meaning of the term.

 

This is the best post in the thread btw

 

Here we have lawyer talk from Guant, we have for years had anti racist laws which is all too right,or jewish which is religious laws which it comes under if NL had been black or ?Jewish what would have been the outcry, which defines racial or religious, now he has put all this under one banner, which is never been the case, Celtic fans have never been against the down trodden and to class us with all the * they come up with is utter pish.

Sectarianism is defined as religeious so check those legal books, or ask Paul Mcguire, and they had a good report in the Glasgow Herald about it.

 

No it doesnt. It can be religion but it can also be politics, ethnicity etc. Google definition of sectarianism and you will see a bunch of definition. The divide in Scotland as in northern Ireland is really a political one that just so happens to also follow religious lines. Politics and interpretations of Irish history divide republicans and loyalists every bit as much as religion, probably more.

 

Nonsense. It is not defined as only religious. If you dont know that or cant grasp that then there is no point in talking about sectarianism to you.

 

You are wrong here it is about religious biggotry not about race which is coverd in other laws' or have you forgot about judges in england covering cases in england when it was about our country and racist about Scots livining in england and had trouble but he turned round and said it was not a country? so it is religeious no matter how you paint it

 

Gaunt this has been tried out in court, not on the internet or your mind, so you are not know all, get your facts right

 

I think its great are club isn't taking * from anybody.

 

One definition of sectarianism is

Sectarianism is strong support for the religious or political group you belong to, and often involves conflict with other groups.

 

Definitions in dictionaries are not what the point is. By those definitions, every football team is sectarian.

What matters is it's definition as interperated by the Scottish law courts.