Ki Sung-Yueng

In fairness Mcgeady was less than professional tonnes of times. I know I have seen his behavior first hand.

I admit when he is poor, the point I make is the abuse he takes considering his talents in unjust. Commons has been complete * this season yet takes far less stick.

Forrest plays one good match in 4, and yet gets plaudits, constantly. Ki's ratio is better than that and only a year his senior yet gets total dogs abuse. Unfair. I sit up EVERY match miss work and support the Celts and say it as I see it, I am positive when it needs be and netative when I see wrong. It is wrong to abuse a lad that tries to hard and then demand 5-10 million for him.

He is not lazy. One thing NO ONE could call him.

He reported he is earning 17,000 k per month USD before taxes. Which is FAR less than what any other central first team mid is making.

I believe Celtic make far more than that per month from his name, hence the Korean all over the website and Paradise.

He is due a new contract though

 

Lethargic? The amount of challenges he pulled out of really wound me up.

There's no doubting his passing ability but he has alot of work to do if he's to become a first team regular.

Hard to stop someone being a shitebag though, he's not from the west coast of scotland remember! lol

 

You think the fact he is not from the west coast makes him a * bag? He challenges when he needs to, true he aint a tracking back defensive mid, but his game offers so much more.

Maybe will never be truely seen as a good player at Celtic because no matter what you do, you always demand more as a Celtic fan.

However, as far as I am concerend, for a 22 year old. His talents are unrivaled in the SPL. Maybe UK.

 

what? we're not Ki FC. we're Celtic FC. everyone will get abuse at sometime or another but to wish a player to move for his own good away from a great club is pathetic.

Ki hasn't been anywhere near the standard we all expect of him as he has shown so much promise.

favouritism on this forum? try favouritism in your post defending Ki to the hilt. i think we have the best midfield in the land and Ki is a key part of that. he has been poor of late and i hope he gets back to his best and pushing others for a place in the starting XI.

 

You're on as if Ki is uniquely given abuse.

For starters, those who dish out abuse usually give it out to everyone in the team, they're like that.

Criticism is what Ki gets in the main, not abuse, and that's hardly unique either.

 

The west coast part was a joke but he doesn't have the mentality for the scottish game in my opinion.

Of course i demand more from Celtic players as i know what it means to every single supporter watching the game and when i see a player back out of a light 50/50 it makes me wonder where those wages go

I don't doubt his technical ability it's just his mentality that's in question.

I think it's ridiculous to say his talents are unrivaled in the UK even at 22.

I hope i haven't come across as a ki hater.. i would love to see him become a world class player with us, i just don't believe he will.

 

Fine then, his tackle

Ki has the best passing range in the country. That's it.
Ledley, Kayal and Wanyama are all faster, stronger, better in the air, better at winning the ball. Oh, and they are rarely posted missing:icon_mrgreen:

 

Thought Ki put in some fantastic tackles tonight.

He's not back to his best yet IMO but I've always been a fan of Ki and I think everyone forgets his age. He is extremely talented and still has a lot to learn.

 

Ki was anonymous tonight. He really can't handle the pressure, all big games he's messed up on. Against Sion there was the atrocious mistake that got their 3rd goal, and tonight he dilly dallyed on the ball too much and chose the wrong ball when in good positions. I don't know why he can't just play to the same level every match.

Kayal & Ledley put in great battling performances against everyone from St Mirren to Atletico Madrid but i'm afraid so far Ki has just not turned up against big teams or in crucial matches. He's good at drawing fouls but that has its downside because in the (more physical) SPL he doesn't get as much protection/leeway from refs and so when he loses possession - gets outmuscled on the ball - Kayal has to come in and sort it out - more often than not giving away a freekick because Kayal is that sort of player.

Ki can put in really great shots as well but apart from the freekick tonight he never looked dangerous, I thought Kayal played a couple good balls looking for the strikers and Sammy and Stokes both should have done better but Ki wasn't looking for that killer final ball, when he can play them.

Just annoys me a bit the inconsistency of so many players, I suppose I should be happy they are good enough for SPL standard but ideally in the near future I want us to be competing with and beating teams of the quality of Atletico - I know the league is everyone's target but surely we should be aiming above that?
Champo league nights HAVE to return to Parkhead imo, and for that we need much much more consistency - from Ki and everyone else.

 

Nothing worked for him. Don't get mad. I'm a fan. Love elegant techinal midfielders. But, he needs to ride the pine for a while. Look, he's not soft. I also don't think he's lazy in the sense that he can't be bothered. But he needs to be benched until he gets his body right. His stamina is not good enough. He needs to be able to go 90 minutes making short hard leads into space to receive the ball and closing down players every game. The reason he often disappears is cause he gets behind the play and marked out during large stretches. He needs to present more. Make himself an option. Unlike ball winners, playmakers must have the ball to be effective. He can't receive the ball if he's covered. When he jogs, he's covered. He jogs far too much. He doesn't have the fuel tank or the capacity. His off the ball work rate really lets him down. It's also why everyone is frustrated. With all the techincal talent he has, he should be dominant but he rarely is despite flashes.

 

I love Ki but he didn't have a good game. Unlucky with the free kick though.

 

It was a wonderful save.

 

The opinion you have of what makes these players better is exactly the type of opinions that is holding Scottish football back. Funny that.

Faster, stronger, better in the air and better at winning the ball back. You've already admitted that Ki is the better passer. You don't think he's got a better shot on him? Better touch? More skilful? Better set piece taker? Bigger goal threat? More creative with better vision?

 

Ill start out by saying i thought Ki was average tonight, none more so than i get annoyed when Ki doesn't play to what i know he can.

YET, if you watch the match again not in real time you will actually see as i did coming back from the game he didn't actually play badly at all. In fact the defensive side of his game was better than his offensive game, he saved us going 1-0 down by a crucial intervention in the box. Made plenty of decent challenges and the booking i thought was harsh.

Offensively he wasn't as good as he can be and passing was a bit off, yet from set pieces/corners the deliveries were pretty decent and we caused athletico some problems for them. Thought Kayal was MOTM till i came home and saw him * shat it from a ball that Ki took in the chest two or three times in the match. I can't defend what kayal did at the goal but i thought kayal knew himself he * up and tried his best in the second half and he played well.

Trust me if you watch the match again he wasn't * poor, he was average/decent in a decent team performance against a team who could very well win this competition. That athletico team are on another level to us technically and in terms of fitness, there is no shame in losing to a team better than you, and the whole team will be better for it playing against top quality players, they are young and they will learn from it, thats the problem we have always had, bossing midfields in the SPL and find it difficult when we are bossed at times from superior players.

It was a pretty good performance against a team full of individual quality. We can still qualify from this group and the fact we can still qualify going into the last game from this kind of group is testament to all the players who have played, who at the beginning thought we would have a decent chance of going through with Rennes, Udinese and athletico madrid? Hmm not too many, so i would not be quick to jump on a bandwagon and slate players who do not deserve it.

 

If more pace had been put on the ball, the 'keeper wouldn't have had a chance!

 

Ki is so "different" from other midfielders at Celtic. His main attribute is not running around getting stuck in, in other words he is not a ball winning midfielder like Vic or Kayal. Nor does he have tremendous work ethic of Joe who is a box to box midfielder. He is a creative midfielder who has the best technical gift and ability in the side.

We as a fan, seem to appreciate and adore Vic and Kayal for their "getting stuck in" attribute whilst ignoring their technical short comings but criticise Ki heavily for pulling out of tackles before praising his technical ability.

Now, before anyone cries,i am not pointing any fingers, however; i certainly do believe people are more prune to latch on to Ki, solely because players like Kayal and Ledley are their "taste". There is no argument (in my opinion) that there is no place for a creative midfielder like Ki at Celtic.

One comparison i will make is that United fans appreciate both David Beckham and Ji-Sung Park. Two very different midfielders but both world-class in their respect. Beckham can whip in a free kick while Park will chase down Messi all day long. Kayal will smash the huns while Ki will pull the strings in the midfield. Both very different but certainly good.

As for last night's game Ki looked ok, did nothing wrong, his deliveries were good and forced a wonder save out of madrid's keeper. Defensively he looked ok and i don't recall him pulling out of any 50/50s, some will disagree im sure.

 

I have written on a number of occasions comparing Ki with what I imagine Lubo would have been like at a similiar age. People often wonder what it would've been like to get Lubo when he was 23, and in Ki I see that. Is he as good as Moravcik? No... Not yet, but Ki has that much potential it is a real possibility.

 

I think the most fans appreciate that ki is a skillful player but he doesnt try a leg and we cant accomodate that in our 4-4-2 formation. If we are going to play the 4-4-2 we need two active center mids who are capable of winning the ball back like kayal or big vic. Because of this ki should be on the bench every game and should come on if we need to hold more possession for one of the forward players. As for tonight, that was imo one of his worst performances in a celtic shirt. his passing was completely * and he held on to the ball and slowed down our play when he should have only taken one or two touches. We also were under the cosh for quite awhile after wanyama was taken off and we had a two man midfield of ki and kayal (although kayal played great apart from ducking on the goal) backing up my point that ki is not suited for a two man midfield but this was eventually remedied with the introduction of brown who helped us defend and stabilized the midfield

 

Bingo.

Thats the main reason why Celtic and the SPL are way behind the rest of Europe ,We would rather watch the diggers who give blood and guts to Flair players .

 

many would dispute your ratio, I certaintly think Forrest has been our best player on the year and I'm sure many would agree with me.

I believe Ki is lazy, maybe not in training but on the pitch he doesn't put in a shift. He has undoubted talent but is to light weight, lazy, and slow to play in a two man midfield.

He hasn't done anything to merit a new contract recently, been one of the worst players on the park in the last several games. His wages might not be astronomical but they are certaintly good enough for a third or fourth string central midfielder, which I believe he will be once all of our mids are fit.