When USA collapses

this thread is the largest pile of pure * i've ever read and i'm am now dumber for having read it

 

Thread got 99% * after you posted dude. If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

too many big words is it. or can you just not grasp international politics?

if you dont like it why bother to post.

believe it or not there are people on here who can discuss matters other than x-factor, cheryl cole or getting blootered

 

nothing wrong with that mate :icon_mrgreen:

 

what the *. do you have any knowledge on the conflict at all?

vukovar was serbo/croat town there was inter marriages for gods sake...the croat paramilitaries led by tomislav mercep..kicked out the serbian population..some were taken out into the street and shot. so when the JNA and territorial defence turn up to find their own people murdered, they want to find out what happned. to every action in that war there was a reaction. If you looked closely you could see pro ustase graffiti all around vukovar targetting the serbian population and when the croat paramilitary started attacking the JNA they attacked back. simple.

what about the young bosnian muslim girl who was raped by the muslim warlord oric's soldiers in srebrenica, veliha dediac i think her name is, she walked all the way to find refuge with the bosnian serb army..

numerous occassions the BSA allowed croat/muslim civillians to pass through serbian territory unharmed..30,000 croat civillians evacuated by the BSA from travnik, vares and bugojono. those civillians were not touched.

'civillians' croat or bosnian spies..where did iever say that?

 

ya and I agree that that is a mistake, but I am also saying that you are wrong in assuming that Iran will not make a first strike

 

true and even if Iran gets nukes we all know that isreal already has them

 

is that what tudjman told you? he even said he was glad his wife was neither, serbian or jew. Wasnt that long ago his defence minister or someone in that area came out and said there wouldn't have been a war if they didnt want it. tudjmans even on record stating the serbian population would be 'leaving' kraijna.

the serbian people didnt want to live in a state which believed saw the resurgence of a mirror image of ww2 croatia. greater serbia, a british invention of the term. what about how herzeg bosna was to become part of croatia you could say that was a 'greater croatia'.

tax records show the serbian population had been living there for five hundred years...

vukovar..maybe tomislav mercep shouldnt have been trying to make vukovar 'serb free'.

greeks and russians. typical paramilitaries. there was also however scum like johannes tilder and john mcphee in croat irregulars who were fanatics aswell- even stated they commited horrible crimes. no side is innocent in that war. srebrenica? typical there is no evidence to the claim '8000' total fabrication, they cant even identify who is who they're digging up. for all they know those remains could be from when slavs first roamed the area.

 

And there we have it - the hypocrisy of the US and to a lesser extent, the rest of the 'west' in their foreign policy regarding Iran and their apparent pursuit of nuclear weapons.

 

theres a big difference between being leftist and being trotskyist,and im no conservative by any means,for instance,i was at a meeting that mr tommy sheridan spoke at,he was assailing the usa and britain for being a lapdog,he began by rewriting the history of the korean war,talking about the gallant north defending itself against u.s aggression in 1950,now any student of history can tell you who was the aggressor in 1950,the korean war was one of the nobler interventions by the fledgling u.n.,he genuinely believed that the u.s invaded first and would not accept any argument that proved him wrong,oh and while im at it,was it only left thinking people who fought hitler????,do you know how traumatised british and french communists were by stalins non aggression pact with hitler,it set their cause back by years.people of all political shades and opinions fought fascist aggression,dont try to claim credit for one particular shade of politics

 

We agree on this one, mate. And ...


... Rangers suck.

 

against nato? no, they wont

ahmadinejad is smart enough to understand it would not be smart to go to war with NATO, he most likely doesnt beleive the rhetoric he spews the same as kim jong il, its all in a bid to control the people

 

so croatian people live in vojvodina since 8th century... but we didn't invade your territory.. we didn't have 'balvan revolutions' in vojvodina..

we offered you a authonomy in croatia and you refused it.. like orthodox_celt said, it was Z4 plan...

''herzeg bosna'' was croatian part of bosnia and herzegowina, it was administrative division in bosnia and herzegowina during the war... you still have ''republika srpska''.. why wouldn't we have our part of bosnia and herzegowina?

history record also show that croatian people had been living there for 13 hundred years...

vukovar.. jna killed about 3000 civilians, and 2500 civilians were wounded.. more than a million projectiles were launched at vukovar..
we didn't attack anyone.. you attacked us.. there is no excuses for doing what your army did at vukovar or srebrenica...

what about borovo? you killed 12 croatian police officers and that started a battle for vukovar...
what about zagreb? you bombarded zagreb streets as well...
what about seselj's plan ''virovitica-karlovac-karlobag''?
what about dalmatia? was dalmatia another serbian province?

we didn't cross an inch into your teritory.. you invaded us..

i didn't have intention to continue with this discussion.. but i must respond to statements like this..

as i said there were crimes on every sides.. for some things there is no excuses.. killing civilians and so on...

we can agree to dissagree..

and admin or mod please lock this thread before we start to insult each other or smth like that... this should be a celtic forum, not a political forum..

 

Just because you cant agree on something dosent mean other people shouldn't be able to leave comments or have a discussion.Itll vanish soon enough.

 

quite the contrary. fact is, nobody on this * thread has any * clue what they are talking about and probably has never even been the US. too much * rebel propaganda bullshit that you try and analogize to topics where it doesn't make sense. the US isn't going anywhere. jog on

 

i think this is a what if thread more than anything...

 

yeah i don't think most are seeing it as such especially when the title of the thread is "WHEN Usa collapses" and then turns into the queue of * wanting to have a go at America because of drivel that they've concocted in their own head. Especially ironic considering where many on this thread are writing from. Hysterical hypocracy

 

The USA wont be as powerful as it is forever,what goes up must come down this has historically been proven for major powers.Much criticism of USA isnt just drivel either,it is responsible for alot of wrongs in the world today,but this isnt an American bashing thread its just to see what people think would happen in the world if its influence and authority was no more.

 

I've actually found people on this thread to be much more reasonable than most threads which take an anti-US turn. And actually, people here haven't even talked about the most likely reason for a US break-up, an internal dissolution. There are widening cultural gaps and I don't think it'd be terribly unlikely that a State tries to leave sometime in the next 50 years.