The Term 'Old Firm'

doesn't bother me mate, never thought much about it.

 

It started as just being a term to describe the derby but when other fans talk about us and them, they lump us in with them under the tag of 'Old Firm'. Therefore, I try not to use it. I don't like being associated with them.

 

It's all about context... If it's being used to describe the fixture it's fine in my book..

If it's being used to bracket both Celtic and the huns over something detrimental when only one party is at fault then it's wrongly used.. It's like saying one is as bad as the other when only one of them has commited the crime.. The huns probably feel the same as we do when they are brought into anything that is of our doing , but I don't think they find the term "old firm game" as offensive as some of us do...

 

I use a few other football forums and English fans always refer to us as the Old Firm as if we come as a package/team.

I once went to a Falkirk v ICT match with my mate and there was an article in the match programme about famous fans of SPL clubs. The article began with, ''Lets for get the Old Firm marketing partners..". So we are often labelled as being the same as them.

 

Where is the offence in what has been said though.. We shared the same sponsorship deals as the huns for years so Old firm marketing or sponsorship may rightly have referred to how it was at the time.. Fans all over the world use the old firm tag but unless it's been said in an offensive unfair manner = two cheeks of the same * then what's the problem...

I could only see a person with Celtic or hun leanings having a problem if they actually believed the term old firm = bigot brothers , and that they believed people referring to it as the "old firm game" are inferring it's a match between two sets of bigots , but I just don't believe that's how people see it but if they do then I feel they have created the problem themselves when there isn't even one there..


"Celtic minded" on the other hand is a term I don't like being used because I think it's often got hidden agendas by people who use it..

 

I always thought 'old firm' as in the old religious gangs.

 

ah crap! voted the 1st one instead the 2nd. i dont want tagged with they * anytime tbh lads.

 

In my opinion, the only reason we share sponsorship deals with them is because companies don't want the risk of alienating half of their market. The offence is being associated with them. We're the absolute antithesis of them. Some comments usually used when Celtic or Rangers fans get in to trouble are, 'The Old Firm are as bad as each other' and similar. We're always seen as being part of a pair, when indeed we're an individual club with our own traditions, values and ethos.

Celtic minded is another term I'm not fond of either.

 

Right , so what you are saying like Hammer has done and as I have expressed , when old firm is used to discriminate against us when it doesn't involve us , you get offended.. That makes three of us..
What about when the fixture is referred to as the old firm fixture by millions of people innocently across the world.. Are they in the wrong , Are you offended that the game is referred to as such or do you just not like it even though there isn't actually anything offensive about people saying "old firm game"... Where is the guilt by association in this instance.. It's just a football match..

 

fair but true point i think!

 

No, I don't want Celtic to be guilty by being associated with Rangers.... This

 

And I think it's YOUR problem rather than a general problem..

You got the ball rolling in the other thread by posting this.

The saying old firm has been used for longer than we hav both been born and I'd bet it had no guilt by association when it was coined..

The way I see it is similar to a family who have two sons , one who's a bad egg and the other who's not so bad.. Let say they are called the Mckay family.. Everytime the not so bad egg hears someone mention "the Mckays" when referring to his family he gets all upset because it lumps him in with his bad egg brother.. It's all a bit boo hoo I say.. What I'd say to that not so bad egg is get a tissue and dry your eyes..

Being offended when there is nothing to be offended about and Im sure it's only something that gathered pace due to the internet generation propoganda and spreading the word that we need to be aware the term "old firm" can no longer mean what it has meant for the past hundred odd years..

It's a bit like huns suddenly calling "huns" the H-Word whenever someone refers to them , whereas for decades we've been known as the tims while they have been known as the huns by pretty much every other set of football fans in SCotland , and neither side took offence from it..

 

and what do you think they call us?

 

You can take your pick from any of two names beginning with T...

Not sure what you are getting at though...

 

what im saying time has moved on now! people are sick fed up with the term(old firm) now. after all the crap these vermin have done with troublemaking i,e/ rioting in manchester,romania causing bother in the ground,spain bother in the stadium agian and bricking villareals bus! then you her when reported old firm fans! why bring us into it?

 

anybody will know Scotland, Glasgow, SPL as Celtic and huns

just a name, does not bother me that much

 

Same as I posted to someone on the previous page.. Obviously when the term old firm is being used to implicate us when we have no involvement then it's unfair... Everyone would say it's guilt by association when it's been used in the context of playing the blame game..
I believe the term gets used more often than not to talk about us and them in non offensive terms.. The Vote from EPL clubs to bring the old firm to the English premiership for instance.. At times we do come as a package and at times "old firm" will be used when "The big 2" could just as easily have been used.. Both sayings are non offensive in my mind when there is no agenda or implication of blame..

If anyone can put into plain speak why they refuse to refer to the fixture as the old firm game , when probably 100% of those who do use the term "old firm game" are innocently talking about a football match and nothing more , then I'd be more than happy to hear it..