Sell Ki

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EH? What are you talking about?

The thread is titled.."Sell Ki" where does it say anything about a price?

And in the OP...it mentions that he though £2m was a rip off...he doesn't say anything about a price he should be sold at...

More than a few people have mentioned on here that selling Ki for a substantial amount would be fair......

So again, how is the title "Sell Ki" silly?

 

The fact remains that every time Ki has came into our central midfield it hasn't worked.
We have seen it when Ki has been paired with Brown, Kayal and especially Ledley, our midfield has been over run, with the subsequent result that our defence has been placed under unremitting pressure.That upsets any game plan that Lenny has devised for the game, and places our prospects of success in jeopardy. Do you see what I trying to allude here ?
Before that our central midfield has been rock solid, but introduce Ki into the mix and we have collapsed. Always the common denominator is Ki, and anyone who fails to see this glaring weakness is either blind or trying to defend the indefensible for some obscure reason.

When Ki has came into central midfield we have experienced our most disastrous setbacks. Away to Hearts, we lost, 3 vital points gone. The three draws in Decembers, 6 vital points gone. Away to Motherwell, we lost, 3 vital points gone, the Cup Final we are doing alright until Ki replaces Brown, Cup Final Lost. The tell tale signs and paper trail allows lead back to Ki being the weak link in the chain. Do you see this bottom line ? In many other games like Saturday's game with St Mirren we struggle terribly when Ki plays, and it takes a superhuman effort on the part of the other ten players to win, we have seen it all too often when Ki has came on a sub for some game, we again go into terminal decline. Anyone who fails to see the obvious here to my mind are engaging in sophistry and duplicity of a high degree.The CS Cup is gone now we can't do anything about that now, but we can still win the League and Scottish Cup, but to do that Ki has to remain sidelined until the end of the season now, which in turn raises another obvious question, and points to my original thread opener "Sell Ki ".

What is the point of keeping a player who who is like been one man down when he plays or is a sub who has the opposite effect. ?
I say it is madness.

 

Ki is a good young player with a good pass and a decent free kick on him and he's only going to get better. What if we find ourself the situation that Kayal and Ledley are injured? He is a good squad player that can do a job in midfield, sure he's had a few bad games but he has also been a stand-out in other games I'm sure consistency will come with age for Ki.

 

His passing is quality, he is strong on the ball and he has been working hard. He is one of those players that can easily control the tempo of a game when spreading the ball about the park.

Good vision and for being so young his positional sense is quality. Good shooting ability, good free kicks.

He has contributed this season with a few assists and a few goal, he hasn’t actually had a lot of games. Especially for a young player fresh in his first full season of Scottish Football from the Korean league which is vastly different from the SPL.

He has got his weaknesses though, has a tendency to dawdle on the ball which you can’t get away with in the SPL. His head goes down when the crowd turn against (I’m not saying you personally there mate but the boos were ringing round Parkhead for him on Saturday and I find that disgusting)

Once he matures a bit in the SPL he will be a quality purchase. I can help but feel that our supporters can’t understand or accept exceptional youngsters because yes they can see their ability but it is the inconsistencies that come with that age and inexperience.

People were the same with Stan Petrov, people were the same (and still are) with Aiden McGeady. Christ people used to wonder if Paul McStay could make it in the big leagues and that was from our own fans as well as others.

People need to settle down, right now he is neither world class or *. He could go from strength to strength as the ability is there, he just needs the right coaching.
Of all players to get rid of Ki Seung Yung would be one of the last.

People are quick to say that Juarez is ahead of him but I haven’t seen anything to suggest that except 3 or 4 excellent performances at the start of the season from the Mexican but as people say absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Doctor Venglos, Scott Brown wasn't playing in any of they games or he was just replaced. It has been proved when Broony doesn't play we don't play, no matter his replacement.

 

We cant put the blame on one single player for a game lost. Its a team effort and most games we have lost we usually concede that most of the team never played that well on the day so unless the player makes a huge mistake that cost's us the game you can't really solely blame Ki.

 

Yes Devlin I know that,and thanks for pointing that out, and believe me I don't like panning any Celtic player without just cause, I wouldn't do that, but in the case of Ki I cannot keep my peace any longer because we are at the business end of the season, and one cup has already gone .You are right about the much maligned Scott Brown, he is an integral part of the team and the stats show that.In a strange way when Brown plays we flourish, and when Ki plays we decline. I reckon I have the answer to that and I will come to it shortly.

Incidentally did Ki play or not in last seasons Cup Final defeat by Ross County ? I cannot remember now as I tend to block out bad results where I can.

 

I dunno about the Ross County one mate. I suspect he was N'Guemo's replacement 40 minutes in though.

Fair play Paddy, I can't argue with any of that really. Quite a harsh view I think but can see why you have it.

 

Where is this nonsense spouting from?

Who is blaming or scapegoating Ki for anything?

 

Venglos a page or so back.

 

Is it worth pointing out that young Ki is about 6 months younger than Beram Kayal, who captained the team at the weekend.

I think some chaps are getting confused because he has Yeung in his name.

 

22 is young for a footballer especially one who has just spent his first season outside his home country.

Kayal is exceptional, I feel comparing players to Kayal is always going to come up with the other player looking *.

Joe Ledley, Brown, Jaurez are all older and more experienced than Kayal and I would have Kayal over them everyday of the week.

Saying that he played utter * on Saturday along with the rest of the team. It happens sometimes.

That wasn't down to just Ki. Izzy played * horrible as well.

 

Fair enough, never saw it.

Aw well...we all know he talk's some amount of pish at the best of times

I just call it as I see it with Ki Dev.....I certainly don't hate him or wan't him to fail....I hope he is a rip-roring success for years to come

I just don't believe he is the right player for our team..or has the right mentality.

Give me a Kayal-Ledley type player all day over a Ki.

 

So Ki did actually play in the Ross County defeat as well as a sub ? Hmm

Here is the Scott Brown stats I promised you

" [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Scott Brown has played in 17 league games for Celtic this season...We have won 16 and lost one, He was not playing when we lost 3-1 to Rangers, He did not play in the 2-0 loss at Tynecastle,He did not play in the 1-1 draw at Hamilton and he did not play against ICT,Dundee Utd and Kilmarnock when we drew with all 3 teams in December.14 Points dropped when he's not in the team , The facts speak for themselves. "[/FONT]

 

I agree with Scott Brown mate. When he doesn't play there is a lack of efficiency about us. More showboating and less winning.

Most important player in our team along with Ledley, Brown and Kayal.

Ki doesn't fit in there but he deserves his place on the edges of the squad.

 

Yes but people also tell me that Ki is an experienced international who has played many times for his country and has appeared in the World Cup finals, so albeit he is 22 he should be an experienced player.

 

I agree.

 

No he shouldn't be, he played in them but he is still a young inexperienced player.

Like Chicharito at Man Utd. Look how Alex Ferguson is handling him, even though he keeps scoring he has been picked here and there sparingly to ease him into the league.

Something that we are only now having the luxary to do with Ki.

 

you cant use ki's experience as any sort of excuse. he has more caps now than most players ever get, he has more experience of a WC than most players will ever get. the guy has played at the highest level on several occasions, home to st mirren should be a walk in the park for him.

plus, he is slightly younger than ledley, kayal, hooper and izzy, but has far more international experience than any of them (apart from izzy maybe).