Robson: Good chance McGeady will leave, Celtic fans must miss Strachan

Ok so should we be allowed to lambast our own fans when he loses the league for us next season?

Because If it wasn't for the ones who somehow see a reason for him to stay on then we would get rid of him in the summer and get a decent scottish manager in who can get us back to the way we want celtic to play, WINNING FOOTBALL MATCHES.

 

Well howsabout you look at yourself, and answer the point I actually made.

Middlesbrough were a Premier League team, who not so long ago had been in a UEFA final. After relegation, they could have been expected to be in a prime position to gain promotion the following year.

Southgate won seven games out of fifteen and got the sack. To be replaced by GS, who proceeded to win six games out of twenty-five! Reckon the Middlesbrough board think they made the right decision?

Gordon brought great success to us. It was wonderful - I was delighted. And I felt vindicated, because I supported him vocally from the very start, when many others - like you are just now - were calling for the manager's head.

But the problems had already set in during his final year here. We LOST the league last year, in case that's been forgotten. And we also lost our creative lynchpin, Nakamura. So Tony Mowbray's mandate was to rebuild, and that's what he's been doing. As of the January window, he has got a proper group of his own players in, so it's from then that I'm judging him.

 

Dont have a clue? Bet your one of the ones who crying for WGS to leave and first on TMs back.Watch some Boro games and you will see how good he is,diving and giving away stupid fouls,lets see at the end of the season what difference Robson makes.I already been warned by mod so am being polite !

 

Sycophancy has f all to do with it. Tony Mowbray has showed enough in his time as a football manager to make me believe he knows what he's doing and he knows how to set a team up. Yes, this season has been a * up and Tony has to take his share of the blame for it but I will not write the guy off as a muppet just because things haven't gone well this season. The man deserves a second chance and he will get a second chance from me. Are you one of these numpties who lives by the maxim that if a manager doesn't win the league in his first season in charge then he automatically has to be sacked? Maybe you're not but that's how you're coming across. And at a couple of points this season you've came out with stuff like 'I'm starting to believe again' so you obviously saw some things to feel positive about at some point. To be honest mate you come across as a guy who seems to get high after a couple of good results then you want the manager's baws booted after a couple of bad results. Try looking at the bigger picture and try to be a bit more patient eh. You've watched enough football in your time to not be a knee-* reactionist so stop being one.

 

i agree!

 

With an attitude like that you'd be as well to stay away from all things Celtic untill the Mowbray era is over because it's clear with you and a few others that no matter what TM does now , he's already past the point of no return , and even if he does bring us success then there's no way you can enjoy it like the rest of us because you'd have to swallow a really bitter pill in the process.. Find something else to do , Go and watch Middlesboro for now perhaps , and then when your content with a new manager being in charge of Celtic , come back , give him a chance but still judge him against the 3 in a row and 2X last 16 CL that Strachan achieved (in his first 3 seasons) , and see if he measures up to those stats in his first season , as you have done with Mowbray..

One of the problems , which I think is actually a major problem is fans who are more concerned about the huns lording it , yet they still want to trot out that it's the worst huns team ever , haven't bought a player in 18 months etc..
There's a good chance the huns will end this season with the highest points total that an SPL club has had since Celtic in the 2004/2005 season (91 points) , and with 10 games to go they can afford to lose two games while winning the rest , to equal that mark..
I think points total is a fair way to judge a team over a season because that way it's not simply about being a bawhair better than the huns (which is how I think we've measured success) ever since the O'Neil era finished..

From 38 games we should be getting 90 points because that's what I'd class as winning football and would be close to reaching a high level consistently..
If you achieve 90 points and lose the league then it's tough , but means the competition was high.. Our points totals from the previous 4 seasons were 91,84,89,82 winning 3 league titles.. Like the next person , Im happy if we win the league by goal difference and lose 15 games in the process but that wouldn't be a fair way to judge if the club , manager and players are reaching the standards they should be.. The level of opposition is a major factor in deciding where the trophies go..

If we somehow go unbeaten untill the end of the season , with 9 games to go , were we to win 8 and draw 1 then we'd equal last seasons points total and Im not saying that would be any achievement , it's just a fact..
At the moment I think we are 5 points worse off than this time last year , and we were pretty much neck and neck with the huns at that time , so that means the huns are 5-8 points better now than they were then , certainly a contributing factor in taking this years title out of our grasp.
If the huns can keep the same group of players together then it's probably going to take more points to win the league next season..

This season is as good as a write off with consolation prizes all that's left to play for so I've already got one eye on next season and believe it can't come quick enough..
I want to see us start reaching the standards we should be doing and that will result in 90 point totals for an SPL season.. Strachan managed it once in 4 tries and I believe Mowbray can do it..
Success in Europe is something that will just have to wait untill we get domestic success first..

 

So you are giving WGS less than half a season before you judge him but mowbray gets until the end of the season? Logic?

Forgot there is none.

 

Ok so You are allowed to tell me not to celebrate if mowbray wins the league next season but I am Not allowed to say how much of an eejit you have been if he dosen't?

Fact is If we win the league next season then I will gladly give mowbray my backing, I gave him my backing until halfway through this season (just before the jan window) I realised he is clueless, the manager has to earn the backing of supporters and the way to do this is to At least give us some positives to show they can do a job. He hasn't given us ANY positives.


I could turn round what you said and tell you that you I think you are only sticking by mowbray because you have already gave him your backing and you don't want to Eat humble pie and admit that YOU Were wrong, that is why I think that no matter what happens from now on you will continue with the blind faith you are showing just now That is what it is now Blind faith.

 

And jiko don't you dare think that you have the right to sit and tell me that I should stay away from Celtic, just because I have an opinion.

Your a disgrace

 

I'll tell you how it is when I see fit to , and I'll look forward even more to the day when TM brings us a trophy , because it will be a GIRFUY to you and your like..

 

What happens if he dosen't? do you and your like get off scott free for letting this guy Ruin us next season aswell.

I'll be pointing out how little you know if that happens

 

You couldnt be more wrong on that bit. As far as I am concerned WGS had more than earned the right to one dodgy run in/one lost title after winning the previous 3. If it was up to me WGS would have stayed, we would have given him money for the quality CB, LB and CH he had needed for a couple of years, some more to replace JVOH and Naka and kept Skippy, Robson and Caldwell. We would have walked the league if that had happened and I would have been happy to see him here for at least a couple of more years.

 

My thoughts too. We made a colossal mistake dispensing with WGS's services as he had come within only one slender game of 4IAR and had delivered us unparalled success.

Those who called for WGS's head last year should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, and I hope they are glad now that we have been saddled with the loser that is Tony Mowbray.

 

Ok fair point ,as long as we were winning titles i felt the same,but i still and always will rate Broony above Robson.

 

If it's the League trophy it might be a long wait. Why is it a GIRFUY to fans who think the current manager is clueless? Winning the league this season should have been the least expected from Mowbray when up against this Rangers squad.

It pains me to say it but their is a determination about the Rangers team to prove everyone wrong that I don't see in Mowbray's team. Seriously doubt we'd have won yesterday against St. Mirren if down to 10 men never mind 9.

This season the football has been pish, the teams attitude appalling and the tactics and team selection hard to comprehend.

During the last decade I've always felt we had the better manager but I would find it hard to believe that any Celtic fan can believe that right now.

Still, if Mowbray wins the Scottish Cup then it will have be a fantastic season eh!!! Get a grip you idiot.

If someone had looked into a crystal ball before Mowbray was appointed and told us he would flop in the league and win the Scottish Cup we'd all have said "Thanks, but no thanks", so please don't try and defend him.

The last Celtic manager to escape the sack when failing to win the league in their first season was Tommy Burns.

 

I was demonstrating the inconsistency of your argument.

You say that Mowbray has been rubbish this season and we need Strachan back.

I point out that Strachan has in fact done a lot worse than Mowbray this season, as his team have won only six games out of twenty-five.

Is the logic really that hard to winkle out? It's hardly rocket science...

 

You're comparing apples and pears. The teams in the SPL aren't as good as those in the Championship.

Based on your arument we should be looking to bring in Terry Butcher as manager as Inverness are doing so well. Or perhaps we should look to my son's under 9's coach as they've won every game this year.

 

It's only fair to give you a response as you have jumped in head first like a numbnut , even though I'd already said my piece for the umpteenth time to the people I needed saying it to who think the rot only started to set in the moment TM walked in the door..

I have never said winning the Scottish cup would equate to a fantastic season..
I'll defend TM for the job that I think he can do for us , not for the job he has done for us..
I will give it a right good GIRFUY to any Celtic fans who I believe are not deserving of joining in celebrations , should TM deliever us a trophy..

If I was in these fans positions , calling the manager everything from a clueless * to a * , then I'd be too ashamed to try and join in with any success that he brings to our club..

You really should do a bit of reading about the posts you are replying to , or just keep your nose out of it if it doesn't concern you , you idiot..

 

I think your post is crazy.. Strachan DECIDED to leave after gettng us to within that "one slender game" of winning the title..

You are saying fans who wanted Strachan gone should be ashamed of themselves and you call Tony Mowbray a loser..

From the beginning of January to May , Strachan made us 12 points worse of than the huns.. That's comparable to what TM has done this season during a period of transition with some very dubious descions going against us.. Why can't you at least cut TM the same slack you were willing to allow Strachan.. The points total the huns will end up with this year could be as high as 97.. Even if it ends up being just the 90 points , It would have been enough to win the league in both our 2 In A Row and 3 In A Row season , so I think it's fair to say we are now facing a stronger rival than we have done in recent years.. Im not making excuses for TM's first 9/10 months in charge as it's been nothing short of disaster (which I have said many times already) but Im prepared to judge him on what he DOES for our club and not what has already gone before.. 3 transfer windows passed and 15 games into next season is when I will be judging him..

 

if we get 6mil+ for him great,if he stays and finds his form then weel benifit from it just hope its the latter as iam not a fan but when hes on his game hes great but only hapins 1nce every 7/8 games