Mowbray

according to you it is quite a normal occurance? i cant think of the top of my head.fergusons reign took off in the early 90s,think this was when the "premiership" was born,and ferguson had money at his disposal to strengthen.mowbray has had cash and in my eyes hes squandered it.instead of making sound signings and keeping players who guarantee goals(mcdonald),his tactics have been shambolic! was glad to see the back of caldwell mcmanus,flood etc.but mcdonald and robson would have been 2 players in my starting 11! ki? odea? even samaras getting a game! continually toying with the starting 11? not league winning tactics these.

 

If he wins every game between now and the season end then without a shadow of a doubt yes.

That would be real progress, because one of our current failings IS grinding out results the hard way, and there are hard games between now and the end.

I can't see it happening though - we are going to drop more points. TM needs to sort that defence big style. I recall WGS having a similar issue near the start of his tenure and I believe they essentially in training went into 99% defence training, including overtime. It was eventually sorted, or at least the cracks were papered over, because what it is coming down to in our back 4, is personel.

We've never had that truely dominating CB, or the left footed version Andreas Hinkel. That would be it, but Scotland don't have that sort of players, and foreigners will use us as a stepping stone.

The best recent CB's - Weir - only signed because he was deemed past it and is now pushing 40.
Bougherra - stepping stone
Cuellar - stepping stone

Go earlier than that and we're talking more than 6 or 7 years back when the Old Firm could compete with England for players.

If you can't get the personel then Mowbray is just going to have to change our style of play to compensate. Is he willing to do that?

 

RE: Bad managers turned good:

Rafa Benitez was sacked by Osasuna only to go on to be a UEFA Cup and CL winner. O.K. so he's * again but I reckon he'll bounce back in Spain.

David Moyes - almost got Everton relegated.

 

Fair points Frank.

A lot of what I saw at Hibs and WBA convinced me he would be a good Celtic manager.

I think he has an eye for players, at all his clubs I would say. I think he has brought some good players to CP - N'Guemo, Ki, Rasmussen etc.

I like the fact he wants to attack teams and get the ball down and play it. I actually liked watching WBA play while he was there and was excited about seeing good stuff from Celtic again, hasn't quite happened for a number of reasons.

I take your points, but I have my own reasons to suggest he can still be good for us.

 

What if TM doesn't turn it around from now until the end of the season? I hear people saying he needs another season but what if come Dec this year nothing has changed accept hibs and dundee utd are above us?

Like people keep saying there will be changes at the end of the season anyway due to the loan signings. Get someone with a bit of backbone in now, make this team hard to beat then start thinking about attacking options for next season. Everyone is worried about a new guy coming in and making changes but TM will just have to do the same at the end of the season, Keane,Kamara,Braafhied,N'Guemo, none of these players are ours and at the mo are regular starters.

Get someone in now before TM does anymore damage!!

 

this is the same TM who got hibs into the uefa cup,think they got hammered 5-1 in the first round off a team a gypsies.not the european credentials you want on your cv is it?

 

Well im in split opinion on Mowbray. His results have been not of Celtic class, nobody is going to argue that, but the Celtic board arent going to shell out another few million in bringing in new staff at the end of this season / start of next season.

Personally, i think its all going to be down to Mowbray's pre-season, and his first 5 or so competitive games. If the team is performing well, scoring, and winning, then obviously this whole "gelling" thing must have worked.

He's brought in nearly a whole new starting 11, and is playing different players week in - week out, and alot of the team has been hit badly with injuries. Im not trying to take any blame off him, but im certainly not trying to pin bad results on his fault, and his alone.

I don't know how people are going to take this, and i said it about November time on here when things started getting a bit shakey, but i would be happy for Rangers to win the league this year, as well as next year, if in turn if gain's our young prospects enough experiance and time to mould into an un-beatable side which is going to go 5, 6, or maybe even 7 in a row. Which obviously relates to the "Rome wasn't built in a day" saying.

We're trying to build for the future, not just by buying in young talent from all over the world, but in our youth system too, and i've got faith in Celtic. Mowbray might not be the man in charge a year or 2 down the line, but i really feel that he's gona be the guy that helped kick it all up!

Maybe im just really optimistic, but im sick of supposed Celtic fans in my work slating the team at any given oppurtunity. Don't get me wrong, i've slated them a good few times, but some things people say, and espeically on here, really make you wonder if their even fans. I think a good portion of the Celtic support want immediate results, by any means neccessary, and thats the sad thing, espeically when i hear people referring to our Asian players as "gooks" and "rice eaters".. calling for Mowbray's head, saying Celtic are "pish" and no better than a pub team.

Playing football has been a big part of my life, and i've always dreamt about playing for Celtic one day, but it really makes you think to yourself when you hear things like that.

The expression; "Be carefull what you wish for." springs to mind.

Can't beleive i just wrote all that....

 

And what happens if 1 or 2 of them stay? Then he'll only have to replace 2 of them.

Even if he does have to replace all 4, replacing 4 players will be a lot easier and a lot less painful than doing the major overhaul of the squad that has happened this season.

I understand your frustrations but it seems to me that you will always look at the glass being half empty rather than half full. Especially when it comes to our manager. Do you not believe in second chances? If you don't win the league in your first season then you're out......is that how it works? * that.

Mowbray has a decent track record as a football manager and deserves a second chance to get it right. If he starts off next season poorly again then yes he's in serious trouble and probably will have to go.

 

I wouldn't say he has squandered it, and he got rid of McDonald when we had Keane and Rasmussen in. Both of whom have got goals for us already.

O'Dea was there before, and injuries have meant he really had no option to play him. I think Ki looks a very handy player, maybe he lacks 'dig' so he is doomed to fail.

Well if you believe Caldwell and Robson, Mowbray wanted to keep them both - so perhaps he isn't totally to blame here.

Yeah. There are bargains out there but they aren't easy to find.

I do wish he would pay more attention to making us hard to beat. I have ALWAYS said that all successful teams are built on a solid base.

 

alex ferguson had more sense than to go out and buy the same player x 3 up front, sell the only true scorer on your side, only buy 1 centre half, and then consistently play 2 defensive midfielders. and fergie is a leader. mogga'll teach you how to take it on the chin, over and over and...

 

If it gets worse then no question he must go.

Think it was a half-decent Ukranian side, Metalist or Dnipro?

Well-constructed post btw Nice and easy to read.

I think the point you made about 'future' won't wash with some of the more short-sighted fans amongst us but I have to say I do agree.

I would take short-term pain for long-term gain. I think we do have some fairly young players (Thompson, Rogne, Ki, Crosas and hopefully a few from the youth teams) who look promising, and look like they can handle playing for us.

 

thats partly my point,he is a yes man.letting the board make decisions he should be doing.selling players,signing players,their probably even telling him to play diddies like samaras! * the board.out them now!!

 

No it's if you show us your not going to * up at every turn then you get a second season.

He has * up everything.

 

You want the board out now as well?

i heard the tea lady was 5 minutes late this morning. GET HER TAE *!!

 

Steve i can't remember any racists comments.

 

He agreed to manage Celtic knowing that Lawwell has ultimate control of transfer policy, how does that make him a yes man?

The board isnt the problem and we all know it.

 

Well said, dose my head in.

 

another board lover! you continue to fill their greedy pockets then,i for 1 wont be! oh yes dnipro,those european stalwarts! get a grip,we have been hearing this-"building a team for the future" tripe for years! so where is it? more lies from the board.

 

lawell in charge of transfers? why not get him to take the training sessions as well then? basically lawell is giving him the players hge wants in then,thus leaving us in the * we are in at the moment! so yes i would want him out

 

Actually no.

I can only remember that coming to light a couple of years ago, and we have been buying enough first team regulars aswell as that.