Dead Man Walking

It looks to me that yer man is banking on a draw at ibrox as I don't see anything but a win against utd this afternoon and then he will have his wish that we are going down the wrong road.

The story could be blown out the water come March and the revolution will be off, just a pity for those who have lost faith and agree with him.

I could write an article with all our positives for the year and say Rome wasn't built in a day, stay with us as we are going forward.

We truly where spoilt with MO'N, when we saw things go down hill with WGS, we wanted change and now we don't see us getting back to the MO'N era it is here we go again.<o></o>
I can't tell people to continue to come and watch us and I can't tell them to continue to buy season tickets either. One point I have to say that I remember is when we where starting to win the league at the start of the MO'N campaign and as the years went on I thought it would only be a matter of time before you would see Ibrox emptying of supporters because they weren’t winning any more.
Well I was wrong and to add to that I never thought I would see our supporters after not winning the league only once, talk about not going back because they think we are going to go two years without winning.
It does make sense though, as I can remember going to matches in the early nineties when we where * and our loyal support where nowhere to be seen.
I have always been sceptical about the way our board have failed to plough money into the team over the last 4 years up until now and feel that has been the problem but as we go forward we can’t be negative about how things are as it will get us nowhere.
We have what we have till the end of the season and all the crap we spout from now until may aint going to change anything, bite the bullet and get on with supporting the lads come what may and stop looking for escape goats.<o></o>

 

Much as i would like Mowbray to turn things round quickly - anyone knows points make prizes and if we dont get any points or make in-roads with 14 games left...the board came out and backed Mowbray ...were have we heard this from other chairmen and then the next day you get the line "we as a board feel we needed to act" the fans need to ask, how many more defeats are they going to take this season ????

 

I haven't said TM shouldn't be written off after one season , but whether he deserves to be given another season or not isn't something that should be decided 8 months into the job and maybe by the end of the season , and with his strongest team on the pitch I will think he's had his chance and he didn't take it , doesn't inspire confidence in me and I'll be disillusioned untill the club pull the plug..
Nobody should be at the point of no return with TM right now IMO..

For the sake of arguement about the players you mention from previous seasons which have been put out the club either by sale or loan.. Who realistically from these title winners and CL last 16 players took the chances they were given under TM.. Caldwell ? Robson ? Mcmanus ? Killen ? Flood ?
Maybe Skippy was worth holding onto but it won't be something we'll live to regret..

I wasn't happy about the timing of sales to Robson or Caldwell or Skippy's hernia operation or the fact replacements weren't fit with the wholesale changes resulting in around 12 dropped over Januray/February..That's actually my biggest gripe but it may well be that TM has been told unconditionally that this season is his for rebuilding regardless of results , which I think would be a dangerous game to play... We could have kept Mcmanus for cover I suppose but had Hooiveld and Loovens had chances to form a partnership we'd probably not be too fussed about Mcmanus being gone either.. Not one of the players I mentioned is someone who would have taken the club forward this season or next..
There's no doubt if we carried on with a "play above yourselves" attitude then we could have kept the same squad as last season and probably won the league this season , while still stagnating in terms of squad progression , but that's taking short term stability ahead of long term progression..

 

Nowt to do with us bud

 

He is here for the long haul, cause of what cause Reid says he is giving him his backing.

You should remember its not John Reid that calls the shots at celtic.

Only one man and thats Desmond, thats the man that made a * of Alan Mcdonald when he was on the verge of getting Guus Hiddink, was a baw hair away from being celtic manager but Desmont changed his mind at the last minute and got O'neill. Thats how we ended up with Ian Mcleod as our chief executive after that.

There is only one man that will decide mogga's future and he aint in glasgow much.

Mowbray manager of celtic in 5 years time your having a laugh

 

I think the best thing to do is to basically just wait and see what happens because we are working on if's and but's here and we're starting to go round in circles a bit.

 

I think the concept of any manager lasting 5 years in the gold fish bowl is having a laugh

 

The thing that * me off is the tight fisted NO Vision board we have - last january if we had pushed the boat out just a little we would have stood a great chance to have banked the CL money - this board have all but "Gifted" these huns £20 million champions league cash without any challenge and that * me right off - they should have been dead and buried and weve gave them hope when we should have killed them off finanially, we should have been going for 6 in a row by now - this board have NO VISION, NO investment when needed = NO trophies.

 

His awful brand of football drove Celtic supporters away in there droves.
He did well first year and a half then it was awful. We stumbled over the line 2nd year and we got the kind of breaks Mowbray just hasn't got this season in his 3rd. Things like the Huns playing 4 games in a week and the suspension if Scott Brown played a huge part in us winning the 3rd. His 4th year was a shambles, a complete shambles.

He treated the supporters with distain and his post match interviews were embarrassing and blood boiling.

He continued to praise duds that were not fit to wear a Celtic strip. McManus is the worst captain of Celtic in my life. Just look at Strachan now, he actually still believes they duds are good enough. He's dragging middlesborough down the exact same way he did with his poor tactics and style and woeful signings.

Mowbray is a breathe of fresh air compared to him, he's open, he's honest, treats everyone with respect(a key quality for a man in his position), he plays a style of football that is more in keeping with tradition. We're still a long way away from his vision but that is due to the fact that the board are not backing him as they should. He desperatly wanted 2 quality centre halfs in January b they instead gave him Robbie Keane to massage their own egos and get the fans off their backs. We didn't need another striker, Mowbray had already sorted out this part of the team; Fortune, Kamara and Ras. He's now been forced to change his formation to accomodate Keane. I honestly believe if Mowbray had got what his wish of another quality centre back(st ledger/ramis) we'd be in a far healthier position than we are with Keane.

Don't get me wrong I love Robbie Keane n have dreamed of seeing him in the hoops for as long as I can remember but not at the expense of a centre half who could have won us the league.

 

Definately.. Even with the lack of confidence we have in the team , A clean sheet against Dundee Utd and a few goals to the good and the gloom will lift a little.. It would be a starting point anyway..

 

Don't think that many will have failed to notice that Mowbray looks to have aged years in a matter of months since his arrival. Could it be that the job was always going to be a little too big for him? Could it be that his steadfast dediction to his principles of attacking football is damning his own prospects? Could it be that not being either willing or able to modify his style to compensate for the evident weaknesses of the team? Or the inability to instruct defenders so that the bread and butter of their job description is carried out correctly. Despite the shortcomings, and the mantra of 'take it on the chin', can he see what the recurring problems are, and why these are not being addressed effectively?

The life of a football manager is far more problematic than that those of which avid accolytes of football management games would ever come close to experiencing. And managing Celtic is far more of a furnace than most, given the level of expectations that we have at Celtic.

I want TM to succeed, not least of which because he seems a genuine down-to-earth kinda guy, but mostly because he is the Celtic manager, just as I want every player who pulls on the Hoops to be a success. Now, it is obvious that this will never be the case, yet we live in hope. There is something akin to likening TM's brief stint at the helm with those of Brady & Burns. There are issues at our club, and TM is possibly making things more difficult for himself than need be. There has been a curious string of team selections, tactics applied, and substitutions that seemingly defy logic. Yet, for all that there co-exists a sense that if he does manage to get it right it could be something special to behold... Unfortunately even the most positive results are only going to buy him a small measure of time.

The noises coming from the board, from Mr Lawwell & Reid, amongst others, is that they are overlooking a long term plan, of which Mowbray is a part. There is little evidence provided of this 'long term' strategy, but this is fuel for another fire in another thread sometime. To boil this down, either you can believe the vote of confidence cast, or cast the shadow of doubt, the death knell that the accursed vote so often resembles.

There is alot of doubt amongst the support - and justifiably so - but it doesnt help the manager or the team improve to constantly berate & slate them at every turn. Either Mowbray will continue to dig his own grave, aptly added by sections of the 'meeja' & indeed sections of our own support, or he will defy the odds, overcome these obsticles & succeed, with Celtic, a phoenix from the ashes.

 

Every game is huge from now on in and if we can win the next couple the lift everyone connected with celtic would get might be enough to turn our season round !!

 

After what seemed like good football/poor results early season we moved into a period of poor football and results and it started to look like he was not up to the jon. However, he really won me over in Novemeber-early January when we went on a long good run and played well. He had found a good lineup that worked. Then he voluntatily ripped that all up and sold 4 of the first picks. In a crazy window we ended up weaker at LB and CH IMO, certainly no better. The spate of loans also indicated panic and mismanagement. He lost my respect over this window. He made a complete mess of things and essentially guaranteed that our already slightly trailing team would be like a bunch of strangers as we headed into February. There was absolutely no need for all that. We had a group of players who had done miracles and the only things that had repeatedly brought problems were that we needed more quality at LB, CH and striker. The striker issue was what blew the title last year but otherwise we were a far far better side than Rangers. Instead of focussing on these weak links in an otherwise successful team, Mogga basically decided to fix a lot of what wasnt broke too. Crazy IMO and all down to idealism. Daft when we are up against an old fox who knows how to win games. That is why for me Mogga must go. The wrong sort of man for a must-win team.

 

There is nothing - and I mean nothing whatsoever - to so much as hint that this is the case. The very opening premise of the article is without basis in anything other than wild speculation by media types and the idiots that listen to them. Mowbray has infact stated, in clear, non-debatable terms that, and I quote, "The board are fully supportive of what we are trying to do". Mowbray says the board are behind him, but this joker says they're going to sack him. No wonder everyone does journalism at college.

Again, rooted in hear-say and spin, not facts or well-reasoned opinion.

Short-termist, reactionary thinking of a person either too blind or too unwilling to comtemplate that the next game might not be the biggest game in all eternity, which is the mentality many supporters and other, less reputable observers.

No one said these objectives would be acheived within a matter of months. In actuality, it was stated in the most simple English that it would take a year to sort things out. Again, this clown is too blind or too unwilling to recall that fact, and makes the bizzare assumption that Mowbray faces the sack by a "panicking" board has never, in ten years of running the club, done anything of the sort.

Another eedjit with a laptop scouring the internet for opinions to pass off as their own. We, as a group, should be long past actually paying the slightest bit of attention to these incompetent, know-nothing, cliche-farting hacks. I'll never understand why any Celt, sportsman or educated individual will actually give these people the time.

Newspapers aren't news anymore. They're low-quality opinion pieces where nobodies unable to adapt to the internet revolution can spout their various kinds of pish. Anything worth knowing about will be circulating the web long before it goes to print. (Christ, where d'you think THEY get their stories from in the first place?) Do any of you really care enough about the opinions of the likes of Hately, Keevins, Traynor or Jackson to pay money for them?

The sooner society resigns these chippy wrappers to the same archive as the telegram, the heiroglyphic and the cave painting, the better we'll all be. I think Celtic fans should be leading the way in that one.

 

Well said. Don't buy the 'Meeja's' lie !

 

I was born a Timaloy 50 years ago. I've probably seen more than a thousand odd Celtic games and watched the sides of Stein, Fallon, McNeill, Hay, Brady, Macari, Jansen, The Doc, Barnes, Mon, WGS and now Mogga. * me, Jimmy McGrory wiz still manager whn a wiz born. Ama auld *, aye, but no an ejjit. Mogga is fobbing us aff wi * excuses and mediocre team performances. A cud dae better. Believe me. He has made faultless signings but still cannae get us on a winning roll. Well, a cannae be pittin up wirrat. Get him tae * and get anywan in who has a slightest clue, cos that'll be better than Mowbray.
Lennon fur PM

 

I think he will be punted come May , His tactics do seem to be very naive , Its a gamble that has not really worked and I hope the board are looking for a replacement now .

 

Did you sat the same about Gordon S?

 

Shame tony sold the only goalscorer

 

It is not the end of the season yet, I am holding my opinions of Tony Mowbray until the end of the season. Until then we must give all the support possible for the club, the players and the manager.

I cannot attend Celtic games because I am on the other side of the planet, but I want to hear more noise and support! Keep the faith!