Changing from a losing team to a winning takes time.

This is not a pro TM thread or anything like that, but I have been watching football for a very long time. Celtic finished last season 4pts behind Rangers.....yes 4 pts. We struggled to find the net and bottled big big games. Last season we lost to Aberdeen 4-1, this doesn't mean that the 4-4 was any better but atleast we scored 4 goals this time.

TM has inherited a losing team (finishing second to Rangers is a losing team in my eyes) some managers can change things around quickly (ie Mark Robins at Barnsley) but then it stagnates (ie a better manager we other managers players). Other managers take time developing their team with bumps and set backs along the way.

So what has TM done since taking over, well personally I really don't think he has taken us backwards.....he just hasn't moved us on as quick as we would have liked. We all knew that the defence and attack needed sorted last season. Thats a whole team! And it is only just taking shape. People might say that why didn't he sort the defence out first...we'll maybe the players he wants haven't come available.

If we sack TM we will be taking backward steps, Rangers didn't sack Walter after failing to win the title after 2 years....so don't play into their hand. Keep the head celtic fans and don't panic.

 

shake the head

Sometimes you have just got to shake your head when you read some of these threads, and this is one??? 4-2 up and he puts on strikers?? instead of sorting the defence and leaving one up???? he has as much tactics as wgs???? two of them make a pair.

 

downwards

So we have not went backwards, me ,I would say we are going downwards to meet other teams and I dont mean the huns.

 

We are going through a break-in period and we're against rangers who are not the best rangers team but are experienced enough and good enough to beat the rest of the spl. I mean, they are basically the same team who got to the uefa cup final, give or take a few changes . . . . We cant just throw a team together and expect to win straight away

 

strachan inherited a losing team and won the leauge in his first 3 seasons all be it the first season rangers were under le guen but the rangers team just now is no far off tht team or the same

 

C/L

Did you see the games they played in the C/L got *, took apart and not from really any big guns,huns thought they would make it in that section, got done for what they are *, just there isn't a team or manager in Scotland who can suss them out,because if you go at that old team they will crumble, but sadly we are not there even to do that to the rest of SPL.

 

Fremantlecelt described last season's team as being a 'losing team', despite, as is pointed out, being adrift by 4 points. Last season went to the last day of the season... and it is possible so may this season, though it appears far more unlikely. By and large, it was a winning team, that had grown stale, that needed an injection to the playing staff and an freshening up of ideas and tactics, and I can hardly say I was the most pro-WGS supporter.

What we have seen this season can be generously described as having taken sideways steps. It may've taken 2 steps forward in order of how they play, but they've taken 3 backwards results-wise. The style has changed substantially from that witnessed under WGS, however when the substance wavers, then style must be sacrificed, in order to change the direction results are taking.

Celtic has a tradition of winning football, and this is a results business, first and foremost, especially with the success over the past decade, However, we appear to be continuing a slide under TM's stewardship, and it is disconcerting that TM and his management team have done little to arrest it. TM appears either unwilling or unable to alter his style, or to find a comprimise, rather * the consequences of the results, and expects Celtic fans to take it on the chin and move on. At clubs like WBA or Hibs, where there isnt the same expectations that come inherant at Celtic, maybe this is an admirable quality, however, around Celtic Park it is success that counts... In that respect the gentle ticking of the clock in TM's office must sound like the deep BOOMING footsteps of fate, eminating from the Gallowsgate.

He needs to find a balance. Quickly.

 

Good post tassie.

We all knew what we were getting with TM (the fans and the board). So their is no point in whinging now that we are not getiing the results, as we just have to be a bit patient (once this team comes together it will be orsome). The forwards are spot on now, the midfield has the players just need the right combination. The defence needs a settled line out week in week out.

last 3 games 10 goals.
As we have all been saying sort the defence out and we are nearly there (sme blame goes on TM shoulders, some is injuries....some for basically a new back line in mid season. Thats what the fans wanted....McManus, Caldwell out O'Dea in!!

The public gets what the public wants....

 

We all know that we should have won that game. But when you have been watching and following football as long as I have these things happen. It a learning curve for the team and manager. TM knows never to do this again (well he better) other wise .

Rarely does a team gelling win all there games, look at Swindon for example. Lots of new players in the summer. Have a look at their league results......beaten 5 nil first game then lots and lots of draws before it started to click. I have seen this happen time and time again. 5 games in the Swindon fans were calling for the managers head, now they love him.

TM has to be given time, it frustrating but if you can't see glimmers of light then I really don't know what game your watching or the reasons behind the bad defending?

 

Just seen the title tbh, so we make a losing team a winning team by getting a losing manager?

My main gripe with TM is tactics. Team don't know what they are doing and the subs that get made are jsut baffling most of the time.
End of the season can only tell how well he could do next year. If we lose by such a big margin I think it may be time to be looking elsewhere, if it comes close then maybe should be given part of next year unless we have improved leaps and bounds.

 

Not in the Spl it doesnt, were not West Ham or someone in the bottom ten of the Epl, and build a team over 5 years to get into the top six etc

Wim Jansen came in and swiped the league title out from under Rangers in one season, Managers up here are brought in to do a job in the shortest time. Thats why Rangers brought Walter back, time isnt a luxury up here when you have such a fierce rivalry between two clubs one of whom is top and the other second.

 

walter smith never won the title in his first 1/2 season, or his second full season...then we handed him the title in his 3rd (so it took him a year and a half and then some to get the consistancy right). Give mowbray a chance, he's had 8 months.

Rangers aren't going to get better, we can if we don't just keep changing the manager.....ask Newcastle fans whats that like?

TM has to prove to alot of people that he can do it......give him some time and a break. Then judge him.

Celtic have won only one treble since big Jock because fans want instant success, we need to have patience now.

I don't believe we will win the league this year, just want the team to start gelling.....sat I saw signs of that, until the subs. TM should have come out and taken the blame for that, he's blamed the players enough. But hey, if he has learnt from that then it's a good thing.

 

exactly it takes time,if we bring another manager in it wil take him 6-7 month do get the players he wants and get them playing the way he wants if he wants to play a more defensive game he would be up * creek without a paddle becasue we have a lack of defensive players etc , and what if he comes in and doesnt like rassmusen,fortune,brown,mcgeady etc.........were would he get the money to bring in replacements .......mowbry has laid the foundations and the transfer window shut just under 15 days ago so that is no time for a team to gel with all the injurys and new faces coming in

GIVE THE MAN TIME

 

Absolute nonsense, we were 20 points ahead of the Huns when Smith took over in January 2007, 07/08 we pipped them in the last game but they got to the UEFA Final. Smith came in and changed things drastically for the better, Mugga has took us in the opposite direction with an easier job at hand.


Honestly, what is the highlight of our season? Beating Dinamo Moscow way back in July?

 

there is still a little chance he can turn this around if he does then brilliant but we can't afford to be droppin all these points every season compared to the last good few year the points dropped this season has been too much but we could still win the league

 

good points everyone, love how football develops diferent views in people.

I would be really interested if some one could create a poll 1) for over 30's and the other for under 30's with the question "should TM be sacked"

I wold be interested to see those figures.

I'm over 30 and I would say no.

 

i,m under and say no also

 

swindon ha ha

I rest my case ha ha now we are compared to swindon,what the * has happend to our fans,where is our goal in life,we are not even competing with the * SPL never mind else * where.

 

think people look to much into the team names that are being mentioned because teams in the prem cant really afford to rebuld becasue there is no margin for error there teams like man u and chelsea just buy really good players that can play with other really good players, but arsenal for example havent won something for a really long time but i beleev in what wengers trying to do by trying not to buy to big but bringing in gallas and vermaelen to tighten up the back becasue going forward there dynamite and think thats what mogga wil do in the summer someone in to partner big hooiveld

but teams such as swindon and the others that have been named need time due to money situations just like us and that does take 2-3 transfer windows

 

To all you TM critics

Season ticket holder at CP. The people questioning TM tactics - I have a few points for you.

• Drawing 2-2 with Motherwell, brings on Fortune for Fox. Fortune scores an absolute belter to win in 3-2.
• Looking like we were getting beat at Falkirk, Scott McDonald on for Fox (or Hinkel, can't remember) McDonald scores two goals, Samaras gets the winner wrongly struck off for offside. Salvage 1 point
• 1-1 away to St Johnstone. Brings on McCourt for Hinkel. McCourt changes the game completely and we romp to a 4-1 victory. Could easily have been 7-1.

I'm not saying TM gets it right every time but at least hes is proactive in his tactics and substitutes. He's fallible like every human being, his choices can work out or not and it's only when they don't that the fans get on his back. Can I ask what Walter Smith would have done in the above situations? Sit back, defend, counter attack. Play the same 11 he always does and try to grind out a result or get a penalty like they did at Hamilton.

TM is miles ahead of any SPL manager. The whole defend and counterattack tactics is the reason the Scottish game is the laughing stock of European football. How well did Rangers tactics work in CL? They got hammered neary every game in a group that they said they would qualify from. While you may not be interested in what other teams are doing, its a good perspective to pick your head up and look around instead of focusing on the one guy that has any kind of lateral thinking and vision.

What did they used to do to people that said the world was round? - Kill them. Rather than give TM the time to prove his football, all you impatient critics can just keep living in your flat little world and silencing those that ask for reason and logic.