Tony Mowbray [threads merged]

Bottom line for me here lads n lasses if mowbray wins the league he stays if he loses it he goes.

 

id give him until december, if were 2nd in the leauge, shipping goals and out of europe, hes sacked

 

Aye mate lets wait till he ruins next season too

 

Tony Mowbary is the complete opposite to Strachan in every single way. 90% of fans wanted strachan to go and wanted change. We got it and we're all still a bunch of moany *. Everyone asked for it.

Some of the posts on here are pathetic and embarrassingly childish. In fact most of the posts are. People are acting like a bunch of spoiled kids. "aw cloud cuckoo land haw haw" "Aye mate lets wait till he ruins next season too" * sake give the guy a chance. Hes not even had the chance to field his strongest side. Success isnt always gonna come instantly like it did for the messiah Martin O'Neil who everybody seems to * their pants over. Yes MON was an excellent manager but i'm not gonna sit and draw comparisons between him and every future managers attributes. Each manager has their own style and own way of going about things. Each manager also arrives at a club in different circumstances (MON arrived with Larsson and WGS was up against an even pisher rangers side than now) so its unfair and illogical to draw comparisons.

To be fair to him he's not once had the chance to field his strongest side and he's not made one bad signing. Fox would probably be his worst signing but we ended up punting him for more money than we got him for anyway so who cares. But Fortune is improving with every game, N'Guemos a great wee player and Ki looks techinically superb and has nearly scored in every game hes played. Mowbary also got the best out of McGeady for the first 4/5 months of the season (obviously apart from his recent serious dip in form). It was the best I've ever seen McGeady play and credit to Mowbary for giving him the platform to perform. But he doesn't seem good enough tactically to put together a starting eleven that can even grind out a result against falkirk. To me he's the complete opposite to strachan in every single way and the fans asked for it. There's absolutely no point in sacking him mid season even though the title is more or less gone. Firstly he cost a fair bit of money to bring in so it would be a complete waste if he was sacked after 8 months. You never know it might all click and we go on a 12 game winning streak pumping the huns twice. Secondly sacking him and bringing in Lambert or whoever to "bed him in" for the last couple of months would be pointless. Nearly half of our starting 11 are on loan and wont even be here by the end of the season so a new manager would be as well coming in in the summer. Although i reckon Mowbary should be given until next Christmas.

 

The only thing you can blame the board for is backing the wrong man!

 

too true mate. he is getting away with murder because he came into the job and told everyone he had a "vision", spouted all the celtic way stuff and went on about his squad turnover at west brom.because he is supposed to be a celtic man everyone buys into his claptrap and says give him time.i've seen people say give him until december(the very same people who are saying it's pointless getting shot af a manager mid season)if we do that we could be looking at the huns doing 3 in a row,do we really want that,and if this is your"vision tony then, shoulda gone to specsavers.

 

You should be a supporter of a mid-table EPL club, no ambition to win the league don't care if we Get ripped this season, theres always next

You have to ask yourself are we spoiled brats or are you not passionate enough to care if we lose the league, that's the impression your giving.

I'll tell you something the thought of seeing the huns win the league at a canter this season makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach

 

Mowbray had no bigger issues to deal with than Gordon Strachan? Good one.

Strachan inherited a team that had a spine of Balde, Lennon, Petrov and Hartson.

Mowbray inherited a team with a spine of McManus, Brown and McDonald.

Hardly comparable is it? I do accept that Strachan had to do a re-build of the squad as well but at least he had some genuine quality to see him through the first few months of his tenure. Mowbray was left with a team that had gone stale, lost direction and didn't have the 3 or 4 genuine quality players that the team Strachan inherited had.

 

In the beginning of this season,many ppl thought that this was it,we will regain the title,play great stuff and continue to rebuild.sadly our season has reflected the complete opposite,yes he has brought in new faces and january's revolving door was more of a panic spending spree than anything else.If we win the league (which we wont) then it would of payed off for him
Sadly come may he will be labled a failure.
Dont get me wrong i am one of those anti-TM posters and have been the whole season and after every point lost, i came around and gave him the benifit of the doubt and thought to maself lets try again, but the stoogie in the dug out has lost alot of celtic backing and its showing.it will take a massive effort for him to regain any credibility.

this is a results driven business first and foremost nothing else,so my fellow posters .....take it on the chin asay!!!!

 

Mowbray has to go. The defense is a shambles, someone already pointed out earlier Caldwell & McManus where better than our current centre backs, Crosas and N'Guemo are not as good as Robson ( he was,nt zidane but he gave his all ) count how many times N'Guemo gets caught in possesion with the ball. Fortune is a waste of good money id rather have Kamara in the team than Fortune. Im almost certain Mowbray will get the boot in the summer, the board will not give this eejit anymore cash as the players he,s brought in have been very poor. Maybe im dreaming or i,ve had a bad bottle of tonic but id go for Paul Lambert or Neil Lennon as they could only be better than Mowbray lol * Barnes had a better record than this eejit.

 

What an inspiring first post!

Can I just point out, Fortune has scored 10 goals now in 18 games and was also injured for 2 months, not too shabby a return for a player in his first season with 13 games to go considering the amount of abuse he's took from the media and fans alike, since failing to score in pre season.

Fickle bunch, aren't we?

 

Indeed, I agree this is a straight flat out results driven game/business, everything else is secondary..........the next two weeks will be huge for TM.

I expect many of his loyal followers will be either proven right to an extent or disillusioned after our next 2 games.

 

The job is bigger than most people realise or thought I reckon.

IMHO we need two new hard tackling full backs who can get up and down the flanks all day. We need a new commanding centre back, and we need a new midfield enforcer of the ilk of Barry Robson. And in goal I would much rather have Lucasz Zaluska. If we had got Lee Wallace for LB and Solvi Ottesen for centre back, and had dropped Boruc, we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead we got poor loans and only one centre back who has been missing through injury.

It will take a hard headed pragmatist of a manager to sort this all out.
I am even thinking of applying for the job myself I am so sick of it all :icon_mrgreen:

 

1. Consider the average age of the squad. Its a very young team.

2. Give Rangers credit where its due. They've been beat once this season ffs, hardly the "worst rangers side in history" or whatever people are saying. Negative * but hard to beat.

3. Actually watch the team. We create chances, the forwards are starting to work. Going forward we are more than ok. We have not had a settled back 4 all season due to injury, lack of quality etc. Granted this is an area which needs sorted but major surgery is not required. 1 outstanding center half and its a non issue.

4. Luck plays a major part in things. Compare the difference that wee ginger * got compared to big mogga.

5. Officials and the media, no need to elaborate.

6. Sacking him would be madness for financial reasons

Now calm down and support the side. If we dont win our next 5-6 games (which are all win-able) Then maybe he should resign.

 

I liked Strachan, but he did sign a good few Diddys. I'm very optimistic about mogga's signings, kamara,rassmusen,ki,fortuné etc. There was no doubt in my mind that whoever took charge at celtic would be, at some stage subjected to the GTF crew. This will run & run till mogga wins the league, I even remember calls of "get tae * back tae the premiership walter & take mcoist wi ye" from the hair brained, knuckle dragging unwashed, at some point. Just go to show how fans can be so short sighted & that if you say something long enough you might start believing it.

 

1,. Agree. Yes true they are younger......but that's down to signings and team picking. Still hardly teenagers are they. If TM had done his job right he would have signed experienced CB's from day dot instead of chasing strikers.

2. Agree. Rangers are a good strong side, not as bad as many make out.

3. Disagree. The team does not have any cohesion. We banged in some goals in the last two games, hardly a scoring fiesta as some make out.

Its still very clear (as per our last debacle) that his Tactics are shocking as was the ever revolving team selection and who's the captain today? fiasco. (Although that wee gem of a game seems to have been put to bed at last).

4. Whit? Now here we go name calling. That 'wee *' as you call him, won titles and maintained us in the CL. So if anyone is a * right now its * Mowbray. Besides he's a fellow countryman and a scot...so watch yer mooth'!

5.Sorry but no. Aye the refs are shocking, and no doubts some of them wear bowler hats and worship Satan at the weekend...but that does not excuse our the shocking management of the team/tactics/lack of defensive signings early on!

6. How so. We've already bombed out of Europe, so that's 10 mill down the drain.....how much more is he going to cost us?

Now calm down and support the side. If we dont win our next 5-6 games (which are all win-able) Then maybe he should resign.

So here we have it: were told to calm down and support the team and in the same breath there's a time limit on him of another 6 games? Will that clock tick any faster if we lose the OF's or go further behind than 10 points?

I am calm, perfectly so and in full control of my facilities, I grew up in Glasgow and I will tell you, I will always support the team till I die.

TM has not proven himself worthy of my loyalty or support and that is just a fact I'm afraid.


Its his job to win us around........that's what the football manager of a team does, the buck stops with him, its called ultimate responsibility and its particularly so in this game called old firm football.

My trust in him went dry after the Killie game when it was clear he has no tactical know how. he displays no passion or drive and does not look like a man to take us back into Europe as he has zero experience in that arena. However I am behind every single player (except that baw-heed Sammy ).

There have been some good signings (Rass,Fortune and presumably Hooiveld- Plus if we can hang on to Kamara that would be great). However I am still perplexed as to how no one is asking why we did not get our defence sorted a long time ago?

Those who are frustrated and angry do not need to be told to 'get behind' or 'stop being fickle'. Ever occur that this is the place they come to share their frustrations at a shocking season. Being told to 'get loyal' or suggestions that your are 'fair weather' is verging on juvenile, schoolyard behaviour.

The season has been * and shocking.....people are entitled to criticize without being shot down.

So you calm down and get behind your fellow supporters and see both sides of this argument.

 

I've made a few comments in criticism of Mowbray, but have not jumped on the 'GTF' bandwagon, because I don't see the point of that. TM is the manager of the football team I support, so I really want him to be successful, as I wish every Celtic manager and every player that pulls on the Hoops to be successful. This is not always the case, yet we live in hope.

Like many, I feel far from convinced thus far. I do want TM to be a success, not least because he seems a straight talking, honest down-to-earth kinda guy, yet at the same time sense why so many doubt if he ever will.

On some matters there has been criticism, and justifiably so. The defence, for instance, has been atrocious all season long. Even with the players he had at his disposal, as a former CB, TM should be able to teach these players how to deal with particular situations. I mean, it was his bread and butter as a player after all. Or if the players were simply incapable, then surely he should be able to tailor tactics in order to compensate for this shortcoming, as the nature of a high number of the goals conceded come in remarkably similiar fashion, time and time again. These failings have to be the biggest cause of complaint all season long.

On the other hand, it is undeniable that there is more of a sense of ancticipation on match day, on the bus or walking up to Celtic Park. The tactics and ideas that had grown stale in the last season of WGS tenure have vanished and replaced by an almost cavalier style, indeed, to the detriment of itself. Some day soon, even if it is just for one afternoon, its all going to click & some unfortunate team are going to get absolutely pummelled by the Bhoys. (Hopefully in one of the O** F*** games !!!). Will this be the corner turned - No. Similiar things happened under Brady & Burns. I can't help but feel that January was a false dawn. Much will depend on the board's prudence and patience, as well as the support of the fans in the stands.

I want Celtic to be successful, above all else. As Mowbray is the man that has been entrusted with the task, I can only hope that he the the man who can deliver, & to build on the legacies of the MO'N & WGS eras.

 

Crackin' post, mate.

 

people say the boared are to blame, if they have total control over who is bought and sold, then why is mowbray getting so much stick! for all we know if the above case is true mowbray might have tried to bring in more CB's. and the boared might have tried to appease the fans and give them what they want, head and boot out, plus a big name signing!
however i doubt the boared are to hold responsible, imo i think the defense is just down to injuries at the mo, once the new lads get settled in we will be fine! we have a decent team lets not get carried away wanting people replaced just yet!

 

I honestly think if the saviour himself Jesus came down from heaven to manage the hoops, he would be hounded out of paradise, without so much as a halleluja. Hard to please fans, is an understatement.

I'm not exactly enjoying our league standings but I do see an improvement in our play. Mogga has been really unlucky results haven't gone his way, to keep a very impatient & critical support off his back & give him more time to concentrate on building a team.

Let the guy do his job!