no scots in celtic team last night

ok

we have a new team right now..we have a few on loan "first teamers" who think there better than the scottish league /average scottish players

a bunch of average scots beat them last night..why was that?they showed more passion

where as the celtic team..most of them havent a clue about the celtic way,do u think kamera gives a * about celtic..the oriental guys were they brought in purely on abilty or was there a marketing ploy behind them signing..would keane come here if his wages were cut..the other signings the scandanavians are not excatly top players and just overjoyed to get a step up to a much bigger club..to many changes to quickly with no PASSION

 

Naaa,you said..no scots equals no passion

All the above is a completely different set of circumstances.

 

The SPL has a distincitive style and its nowhere near as bad as people make out. Its all about playing as a tight unit, passing and closing down the opposition. A lot of SPL teams are solid units, far better than the players are as individuals. They have gotten tactically clever over the last 5 or 6 years too. Killie last night were a good example of a typical SPL team. The advantage of Scottish players is not that they are Scottish but the fact that they know the Scottish style of game. It is not the same as the English one based on athletic speedy technical foreigners. Its all about tight team unit, possession and not giving an inch. Many, many a good imported technical player has not been able to cope in the SPL. That is where the advantage of having been brought up since a kid in the Scottish game comes.

 

Passion is sometimes not worth much .. McManus was a very passionate player but in the past year or so he was simply not a good enough footballer! Footballing ability comes first i think , this in turn will mean the player will play well resulting in the fans getting behind them .. This untimatley leads to passion from the player as they feel the need to return the fan's spport.

 

having no scots in the starting 11 wasnt the problem, having no midfielders was..

 

I think people do not get how steeped in football Scottish people are from the youngest age. Every spare minute spent playing football and the country is totally football daft. The style of Scottish football starts in primary school onwards and only people absorbed in it understand it. People forget that by the time we see a Scottish player coming good at 21/22 he has been playing in various levels in our distinct national style since he was 8 years old or the like. Its totally in the blood by that stage. People do not understand how much football means in Scotland. I used to play about 3 hours of it every day, even in street lights in the snow all winter and I did that for about 15 years. When I was growing up everyone was like that. When they werent playing they were reading about it, talking about it, fighting over it. It was the only thing working class kids had. The decline in our game has coincided with this generations old lifestyle changing, more money, more varied hobbys, more education and the death of the 3 hours of football every day sort of youth. I

 

4000 fans turned out to greet keane on tuesday night,,keane was shocked at this..couldent belive it he said....well i was not suprised in the slightest were you .im not a football player but i know from staying in glasgow what celtic means to the fans that the fans will turn out in there thousands for the team no matter what time of day it is

so scottish players do have a much better understanding of what the club means by just living here and that means more passion and feel for the club

 

So true , even 10 years ago the streets were full of kids playing football all day and night , summer and winter. Changed days sadly.

 

Think we were mad to get rid of Robson. He was a wonderful player. Not in the putist technical sense but he had a lot of what the current team lacks. You do not beed loads of these tiger type players but I think 2 or 3 down the spine is very important in SPL football. A good example of technical ability without fight was Berkovik. He could never had succeeded in the SPL no matter how gifted. As some Russian fans pointed out, Scottish football has a touch of the rugby about it. The players are not fast or often that big but they fight like demons for every blade of grass. Like I said its the national style and it comes from the national characteristics. The managers who forget that and try to get idealistic about being technical have all failed.

 

the scottish game is getting left behind by the international game.

strength and 'dig' are emphasized and praised while passing is overlooked. Its football, not rugby. The best Celts ever: Jinky and Henrik did not fit the mould of a Scottish player that is held up now.

 

The fans who turned out the other night did so for one reason....Robbie Keane.
If it was any of our other signings getting paraded at that time,there would have been * all or nowhere near the thousands that turned out for Robbie Keane.

What did you want keane to say...."yeah i saw thousands there,and to be honest i expected it,i knew i would attract thousands to welcome me"

Dont think that would be the best thing to say.

Im not buying into this thing you are saying,that only Scottish lads will fully understand the passion and commitment needed for Celtic.

 

You do make a very good point here to be fair.

 

Was Neil Lennon Scottish ?

No , yet he is one of the most passionate characters we have had for years.

 

i think jinky was the ultimate scottish player..he was scottish fitba ..wee show off ,dribbler..i might be small but come get the baw big man..he was cheeky,natural and did we we all tried to do growing up and that was play fitbaw

 

No chance.. He had a good attitude but was too cumbersome meaning he stifled our own game as much as the oppositions.. He was more effective when he was a bit part player , taking one touch and keeping a move going rather than being too involved and trying to dictate things.. The moment he tried to put his foot on the ball and pick out a pass he'd have challenges coming in and he never came out of any challenge without either taking the man , or man and ball.. The game was too stop-start when he played and I never want to see another player who has to turn constantly (O'Dea might be the next one if he nails the left back position) whenever he's forced near the line and the only other option is to pass with his "wrong" foot...
He did a job for us , and I'll be thankful for that (played well against the huns recently) but being honest , it's players who have very little to offer other than a combative style and a will to win , that wrongly get praised as wonderful footballers..

 

Its pathetic a Celtic team full of third rate * foreigners

 

i would expect a thread of this calibre from a hun forum, not from a celtic board. this type of mentality is what makes the huns, huns. celtic is a club that does not discriminate based on your color, religion, race or where you're from. What this club is supposed to be about is whether you give it everything you have on the pitch, everytime out while wearing the hoops and respecting it's traditions. That's it. It disappoints me when i hear such utter rubbish spouted off by fellow Celtic supporters. Scottish does not equal more passion, more heart, more skill. If the better player available is from Scotland then so be it but to insinuate that the clubs poor form is a result of having too few Scots is contrary to everything the club stands for

 

Lenny of course is not Scottish but he was certainly fits the type of player. They do not have to be Scottish but Scotland has always had a lot of the Lenny type combatative players. I personally think its not actually about being Scottish. Its the playing football in the streets working class industrial city/town kind of background that breeds the type. It just so happens that Scotland has a * of a footballing tradition and a * of a lot of places like that. Most of the footballers in Scotland are from the industrial west and central area. Very few come from the huge more rural areas of Scotland north of that. That is also why our footballers tend to not be the best physical specimans. A lot are from fairly deprived and poor backgrounds.

 

Its not a free for all based purely on talent. The European Union controlls and restricts who can play in Europe so its not some sort of idealised world meritocracy. Its similar to national restrictions of the past only on a bigger scale. Remember even in Europe, the freedom to move around the European Union freely for work only came about in the 1990s.

Its also wrong to pretend that some countries do not have some characteristics. Different countries produce different types of footballers and football philosophies. Scotland is an environment that produces a lot of very tough committed combatative players. Other countries produce far more technical players. To say the whole world is the same is just taking PC too far. If your team is imbalanced and you need more dig/fight and you happen to be a Scottish team then to ignore the many players of that type in your own country would be stupid and lacking in community mindedness. Football is a big community thing in Scotland and treating it like a free market commodity rather than a community thing is not popular.

There is something about the SPL that talented teams tend to fail if they do not have a core of British/Irish players. Every person who has tried to go too heavy on the technique aspect and ignored the need for a lot of physicality that is native to the Scottish and British game has failed. In the SPL technical ability isnt the crucial factor that it is elsewhere. Barnes, Burns, Le Guen and now Mogga seem to be going down the route of trying to win the SPL with technical players. You know, even the last few of Rangers 9 included many many players who were essentially there for their dig and all the skill hinged on a couple of quality technical flair players. The last Burns team that lost to Wattie had far superior technical players to Watties man for man but it lacked the physicality and dig.

 

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