Hinkel

Many goals has this all out supreme attacking full back scored for us?=1,,

 

What difference does it make how many goals our right back scores? Has anyone ever said that's an important part of his game, certainly not that I can recall.

Hinkel is better at going forward than defending, I think everyone can admit to that.

He has chipped in with a good few assists, however his defensive side could be improved.

Personally, I don't think he's as bad at defending as some people make out and I think some people made their mind up about him during his first few months when he was settling in and not doing too great and they are now too stuck in their ways to change their mind about him no matter what he does.

It's as though many fans are just waiting on certain players making a mistake so as they can criticse them, reading through loads of threads it honestly comes across as some people get more enjoyment out of criticising a poor performance or result than celebrating a good performance.

 

Gee whizz criticising his lack of goals now for an attacking full-back. Ashley Cole and Gael Clichy are maybe the best left-backs in the world right now and how many goals do they get a season? None each?

It is a myth Hinkle cannot stop crosses coming in. For example against Hearts we actually had zero trouble on that flank despite being down to 10 men. Full-back is one of the positions that suffers most at a red card. People are just desperate to point fingers at this guy when it wasn't his fault!

 

dont take hinkel for granted hes a good player , in this day and age we should be happy to have a right side of andy hinkel and aiden mcgeady.

 

The reason i said what i said was that 2 legends in Tom Boyd And Danny Mcgrain were being called into question on an earlier post about them only scoring 10 goals between them in their Celtic careers,i have said on numerous occasions that Hinkel is great at going forward but absolutely pish at defending,he has easily shipped 10 or more goals that could have been prevented since he has came to us,and by the way i would get rid of the whole defense if i could,and while we are critisising posts here some of the posts including green tinted specs etc regarding Agathe are pretty poor coming from a tim!

 

C'mon, 10 goals that are solely the responsibility of Hinkel? I don't believe that for a second.

 

I just don't think he does enough - he barely makes any challenges and his positional sense is pretty dire. I think because he's got a few caps for Germany people are overrating him.

Thought he was going to be far better when he signed.

 

I remember this debate coming up last season,(i'll search the threads after)about his innability to close down people there for, causing goals against Hibs,Rangers and Dundee utd last season,the centre halfs must shoulder some responsibilty also but Andreas has got his job to do aswell and that is to close people down and defend,i will however support him and the other 10 men on the park when i am at the games,this is only my opinion by the way,but my patience with the whole defense is wearing thin!

 

"Hinkle cannae defend" brigade strikes again. Leave Andreas alone!

 

i really like hinkel and think he is key to us in that he is good on the ball going forward i wish fox could dribble like andy can.the goals he has cost us lately are down to lack of concentration not ability which i find frustrating and shocking.i feel thats the case with alot of the goals we lose like the ones in the hearts well and utd games too many players thinking * it someone else will pick them up or just praying nothing comes of it

 

Totally agree, in fact with all our defenders there seems to be this complacency about them. They all can perform at the very top, I'm talking CL level but something in their head is preventing it. Lack of motivation, just bad relationships with each other, low confidence, arguably poor management and a blame culture is all contributing to leave our back 5 like shadows of themselves.

The only one I'd say who always stands up and is counted is Caldwell.

 

Eh,,,,,naw!

 

thats why its frustrating cos the likes of mcmanus caldwell and hinkel have played well in CL against top players like rooney kaka keeping cleansheets in the san siro and conceding just once in 2 games against man u at celtic park yet we are conceding 2 or more goals in games against falkirk and well it just doesnt add up

 

imo hinkel is great going forward but can be suspect at ball coming into the back post as a international right back with loads of experience he shouldnt be getting caught out. He should have been covering for motherwells second he didnt tracking the run at the back post and the exact same thing happens for hearts second.

I know he had Heid and looven in front of him but with they two you cant be sure they're going to win it.

 

Where would we be without Hinkels * ups in defence???

Andreas Hinkel Profile, Statistics, News, Game Log - Celtic, Scottish Premier League - ESPN Soccernet

6 assits last year in 38 games.....I wouldnt call that a lot

Fox had six and 5 goals
Daniel Fox Profile, Statistics, News, Game Log - Celtic, Scottish Premier League - ESPN Soccernet


Robson is not an attacking player...he is there for defensive reasons....If we wanted someone to attack or cut in it would be McGinn or McCourt or even Zhi...not Robson

 

Your faltering arguement on Hinkel's assists are both tenuous. and disingenuous, and in no way mask or divert the conversation away from my central point, which I repeat is that Hinkel's defensive weaknesses and frailities are both glaring and very costly, and are being targeted week in and week out by opposing SPL managers, who recognise and are exploiting Hinkel's severe lack of speed and atrocious positional sense.

Any junior manager will tell you that a defender should always be goal side of his opponent, Hinkel never is, and the last two games against Motherwell and Hearts, Hinkel's blunders and howlers have led to crucial goals being scored against us, including the winner by Hearts, where Hinkel was once again found ball watching as he allowed his marker Ismael Bouzid to peal off him with the greatest of ease.The point being that Hinkel never learns from his mistakes. A classic failure in any defender. See Caldwell for similar aberattions.

A few weeks ago Ryan Flynn of Falkirk tore Hinkel apart repeatedly down his right side, and we have seen this with any winger with reasonable speed and discipline who ranges against Hinkel. Quite simply the guy cannot defend to save himself, and in IMHO he is not Celtic class and should not be there.

For a supposed German internationalist, who has only scored one solitary goal for us, and shedded many in the process against us, your flimsy arguement of Hinkel's paltry assists ( 6 assists in 38 games ) is deafeningly silent and untenable.

 

I agree with everything....

except the paltry bit...6 assits is still pretty good for a right back.....credit where its due

but because of these assists everyone excuses his defensive shiteness and you see comments like he's our best and most consistent defender...which is complete nonsense

 

Here,Here!,,i concur with this man!!

 

Great post 100% agree with this

 

It's not a myth at all. I've seen umpteen examples of Hinkel failing to stop crosses from going into our box when he was less than 2 yards away from the winger. He's a full-back who rarely slide tackles....* use is that? He puts in a half-hearted leg now and again to try and block crosses. It's not good enough. Page 1 of 'How to be a full-back' - you must stop crosses going into the box. He doesn't do it.

The goal Dinamo Moscow scored at Parkhead is a typical example of how Hinkel defends. 2 yards away from his man and he couldn't stop the cross coming in. He is pish defensively. Pish.

If people want to focus on Hinkel's attacking contribution to the team then that's absolutely fair enough and I have no argument with that at all. He IS good coming forward. But as I've said before, I think a full-back should be able to defend first and attack second. Jackie McNamara could do both. If I had to choose between Jackie at his peak or Hinkel it would be a complete no contest for me.

I like Hinkel's attacking contribution but his defensive ineptidude irritates me.