Disillusioned

Nope, seen darker days, chin up!

 

Concerning the youth development, it's also about scouting the right youth as well - i hope we will see the benefits of this as the likes of Misun (shame about his injury, very highly rated) Josh Thompson, Islam Feruz and John Marsden all come through the ranks.

Concerning Europe, it has indeed been very poor mate - i accept that fully. Vienna in particular, as that (for me) put a nail in the coffin.

Nonetheless, Vienna are a team that convincingly defeated Hamburg, who have undoubted pedigree and big wallets, and we drew with them. Meanwhile, Vienna - the same team that destroyed Hamburg, then get gubbed in Israel, while we only lost 2-1.

In my humble opinion, there are plenty of things wrong at the club at the moment - that's for sure. Nonetheless, as an opening group in the Europa Cup, i think we have been rather hard done by.

Standard of the first team squad at present is not great - we all know this. Nonetheless, i'm willing to see what happens in January with regard to that. In the meantime, i look for us to consolidate at the top of the league, win some respect in our remaining European fixtures, and strive to get to the League Cup final - starting with mini huns this Wednesday.

It's not all doom and gloom is what i'm trying to say, i suppose.

 

very true mate..
struggling to be optimistic at the minute, i have read too many posts on here that the huns are bad, * ,broke and toothless.all this is bull * in my opinion, we are at the same level as them,no doubt about that
we must be in some sort of position to get atleast some quality in ffs i think all paying celtic fans are being fleeced big style.
only time will tell

 

I wouldn't quite say that I'm disillousioned, more disappointed with 2009 so far. The highlight of 2009 was winning the league cup and as we all know, we lost the league through a terrible run of form. I think that Mowbray could be getting more out of the players he has and a few of them are struggling to adapt to the style of football he wants to play. The bottom line for me is that Mowbray will try to bring in the players he needs to play the style he wants, but he'll have to use the players he currently available to him in order to get results. I think Mowbray has to realise (along with the fans) that we won't really be able to buy players that are of a much higher ability than what we already have. We'd have to go into the £6-10million per player market before we started to see major changes in terms of squad quality and the board won't pay that. Those types of players would need £25k plus wages plus bonuses each to be tempted to come to the SPL anyway. We can't even guarantee Champions League football anymore and tbh, I think it would be difficult to attract top quality players to Celtic just now.

 

The SPL is barely Championship quality, so dont be surprised if your players are of that standard. Also im a Newcastle fan as you know, these arnt dark times, trust me.

 

I'm honestly very surprised with how quick some supporters are to declare a state of emergency here. Yes the season hasn't really gone the way most of us had hoped for (especially in europe) But lets not forget that its only October. Lets start panicking if things arn't really improved by january/february.

 

Sad sign of the times for Scottish football we are now playing in a third rate leauge with no money , The quality of the product ie scottish football is a complete joke , I reckon an old English third or fourth division team could beat any SPL team at the moment , They say rankers are in crisis we are on a better financial footing than them but when you look on the feild its all crap , Paying top dollar for * .

 

The OP wasn't a knee * panic reaction imo and supporters have a right to complain if they feel the team isn't up to the required standard.

 

Oh believe me. I totally get the frustration! I just feel as though its not time to jump ship quite yet.

 

It'll take a lot more than a bad start to the season to have me jumping ship :icon_mrgreen:.

 

Your right! Its been a pretty poor show so far, we all feel a bit short changed, hopefully things will get better & we'll have something or someone to cheer about soon.

 

I think some fans will have to get their head round the fact that the level of supremacy we have enjoyed over the rest of Scottish Football for the last 10 years is not the historical norm. The last ten years have been an exceptional period in the history of Celtic Football Club. Yes we've won trophies throughout our history, but we haven't dished out the number of thrashings and been SO superior as we have in the last decade for most of the time.

We've also witnessed some truly exceptional players in the last decade. Guys like Larsson, Moravcik, Petrov, Sutton, Lennon would be worthy candidates to play in any Celtic team through the ages. The process we are going through now is a kind of return to the world we were in before Scottish Football went foreigner mad. A lot more emphasis is going to be on developing our own players and signing the best Scottish players that are available. Pre Wim Jansen that's the world we lived in and we will have to go back to it while we can't afford top quality foreign signings.

The clear problem with going back to that world is that the standard of Scottish players is now much lower than it was 20-25 years ago. Celtic used to have the likes of Paul McStay, Danny McGrain, Brian McClair, Roy Aitken, Murdo MacLeod, Frank McAvennie, Mo Johnston(* but good player) in their team whereas now we have to make do with Barry Robson, Shaun Maloney, Mark Wilson etc The difference in quality is stark. But that's not Celtic's fault that is just the way it is.

It could take 5-10 years before you see any real tangible difference in the quality of the youngsters coming out of Lennoxtown so there are hard times ahead. I'm pretty sure of that. In an ideal world we wouldn't have to face up to this but we do.

If you think we have it bad perhaps you should spare a thought for fans of Aberdeen, Hearts or Kilmarnock because they have it an awful lot worse.

Celtic may not be enjoying the happiest of times right now but that fact will never diminish my passion or enthusiasm for the club. If I lived closer to Glasgow I'd go to every game no matter how bad it got. But then that's just my way, I've always been like that. It is only by standing by the club and supporting them through the harder times that you can fully appreciate the good ones. I'm sticking behind our club, our manager and our players.

The REALLY good times will return again of that there is no doubt. C'mon the Hoops!

 

Good heartfelt post and for me sums up how i also feel. The board have to make a decison soon. Nobody could watch that bunch of imposters and think things are ok no matter what the balance sheets say.

We're dire, we need at least 6 players into the frst team. a whole new, improved spine.

 

All Stick Together-Keep the Boo Boys at Castle Greyskull!

I probably sound like an old grandad- but you have got to experience the bad times, to makes the good times even better!
As much as Celtic may be frustrating the * out of us all- WE SHOULD ALL STAND TOGETHER.
To constantly bicker about this and that really does show that we are NOT TOGETHER-.
I appreciate that we all are entitled to our opinions.
Keep the BOO BOYS at Castle Greyskull!
Mowbray's NOT the issue!
Anyway Good Luck to the 'Ginger Minger' at Boro!

 

I agree. I am not even properly watching the games now. Its just so dull. However, the reason for our decline is simply a market one. Huge amounts of money and wages on offer at our neighbours in the EPL makes it inevitable we will be competing for championship level players.

I actually think it could be worse. We have a few player who have or could play in the EPL or managers have been reported to fancy like Artur, Broony (I know I know but that is a fact), Aidan, Naka (until recently). You could add Hinkel, Fox who I think smaller EPL teams would fancy. People also forget that Maloney always performed really well for Villa when he got game time Iask Villa fans-they loved him even if MON preferred big hammer throwers). The sad truth is if we were in for these players now on the open market, they would all out of our reach in terms of wages they would be offered by EPL teams in England.

I think the future is even bleaker with agents always out to get the best wages for their players. I blame SKY and the market more than the board. You could say having a SKY box in your living room is contributing to our decline. I got rid of mine and switched to the much cheaper BT Vision. Between its free ESPN, its on-demand delayed games and channel 5 and other stations showing Europa I havent missed a game this season. There is also loads of EPL too if you really want to watch whats killing us.

 

I agree with Minty in that I'm more disappointed than disillusioned with Celtic right now.

The quality in our team right now is extremely poor, but when we are competing with the richest leagues in the world for players, most are going to go for the money to either the EPL or even the Championship.

The SPL just isn't and attractive league for most players.

The focus on youth is going to be a long term plan, but for it to really work the whole culture around sport in Scotland has to change, and the training methods for very young weans has to change, it's often too late to try and teach kids the technicalities when they're 14 or 15.

 

I only get disillusioned if we go on a seriously bad run and go like 5 points behind the scum but we are ahead of them right now , ok the football is not the best but hey , i dont think any of us will be caring about that if we win the league in may.

Ok when i go out of the games after say a 1-1 with rapid , a 0-0 with motherwell , i am very frustrated but not disillusioned.

 

A very good postIts amazing that how we have been since the late 90s can make people forget or be unaware of how it was for the previous 100-odd years. You are right too that the home grown players were once hugely better. We had some amazing Scottish players in the 80s like Nicholas, McClair, Mo, Rambo, McAvennie, McGhee just to name a few of our strikers from that period who went on to play in top EPL teams and top continental sides.

I actually thought that period was brilliant because out players were high quality but local (often diehards) and the SPL was a very tough league that you would only win every so often and appreciated. I think we only won it about 2 or 3 times in the 80s but the achievement was up against Fergies Aberdeen, McCleans Dundee United and later Souness's Rangers. Winning it then meant a lot more than the relative turkey shoots against poor SPL teams that we had in the last 10 years.

IMO the mentality of rather having a turkey shoot every week above real competition is also a disease among our younger fans. It was only in the 90s under Wattie and a huge injection of money that Rangers ruined the league with their 9 in a row. ll I would happily go back to 80s style winning it only every 3 years or so if we could return to the standard of the SPL then.