Should we go into Debt to bring Quality in?

Buying a few players does not necessarily mean large debt. I would hope to see the back side of a few players that might help finance some other transfers.

 

* no!!! we shouldn't go into debt just now, thats madness

if hibs can play the football they played against rangers today and have been playing pretty much for the past 5 years , why the * cant we ???

they dont have any money !!!

anyone get the feeling tony mowbray never knew what like the quality of the celtic players were before getting the job

 

This is the crux of the problem. People have been slavering over Hibs for years including under Mowbray. We have been constantly criticised by our own fans for our style. OK.... how many trophies have Hibs won? My belief is that many of our fans have not been careful about what they wished for and the board were weak when they listened to the fans common wishes for flair and preferably a Celtic man. We got that and now are closer than we have been since the mid-late 90s to be a Hibs type team with flair but which doesnt win the big games when it matters and maybe (we will see) the trophies.

 

No.

 

I remember last season when people wanted performances over results. I couldnt believe those posts. I hope people finally respect managers that get results over performances because it should be respected

 

ive a we theory about our problems,we are trying to do the passing game which results in us getting the ball forward to slowly and not havin the space for our attackers who are not the tallest or strongest and are easily marked for that reason.
it worked under strachan cauz he had bbj ,it failed when he left and we lost the league,to a certain extent that is the reason we have stopped scoring since fortune has been injured although he is not the complete answer to our problems ,also we are not comfortable enuf in possesion to keep the ball to try to draw teams out when trying to pass.

 

You're right until you said that, BBJ lasted how long? we won leagues etc without BBJ MI hope fortune gives the team the boost it needs

 

A win is a win in any shape or form ,i would settle right now for Celtic to scrape by with 10 ,1-0 games in a row ,the game is about results and thats what win the prizes at the end of the season ,Celtic are struggling so any kind of win will do me .

 

your correct dempsey ,it was big jan and wasnt as effective in his final year ,its deff the physical presence up front thats missing, we can get the ball forward quicker and support, with space to play in and not have to find space through say a naka type .

 

Although injuries spoiled him, a JVOH when he first arrived would help the team hugely, He provided strength an aerial threat and loads of goals. We dont have any of that now. This must be the worst off we have ever been for strikers. YOu could say we sold 2 of our starts in Naka and JVOH and havent replaced them.

 

both went after contract ended ,big jan was desparate to stay but was let go his last season didnt help him, but yes more physical presence than sammy.

 

Fortune comes to mind Gunt when JVOH left ,he is a big lad but its hard to gauge him since he has hardly kicked a ball for Celtic yet ,but i like a centre forward in the box not out in the wings .

Naka was blasted a good few times on here by many posters but he has been a loss alright and Maloney isnt the answer .

 

Good point,

The problem is we are dealing with human beings here, we cannot be sure of anything with any signing.

I still maintain however that we have been moving backwards for some time and it is only now the cracks that have been covered up are starting to really show.

Something has to give, trouble is, what?

 

Touche! Bud!

 

When i first seen this thread earlier on today i thought about this and i actually thought it would be alright if we got into a bit of debt if it would bring in a better quality of player who would help us win the title BUT ... after hearing the stuff about rangers and the bank running them and all their players being up for sale it became clear to me how well we are doing financially, we may not have the best team weve ever had but these players are capable of winning the league, once the defense is sorted and the strikers and midfielders are scoring goals again we'l be winning and we'l be going further ahead of the dark side. Thank * were not in the position their in and even though weve not had the best results lately when you compare us to them it shows how it is a million times better being a celtic fan right now than it is being a one of them.

 

Strange, I see it completely the opposite way.

If McManus really said that, then he was clearly right - any so-called "supporters" who boo the team are part of the problem.

Does anyone seriously think that booing encourages them to play better? Of course not, it just discourages them. People who boo their team do it to take out their own personal frustrations, not for the good of the team or the club.

 

Our style of slowly moving the ball forward is * and the only reason we won anything was because we had a big strong centre forward, and a big pool of players (hibs won the league cup with a small squad made up of players from their youth policy and a couple of decent cheap signings) there squad wasnt big enough to challenge for the league.

The football we play is nothing like the style hibs play wheres the flair 1/2's quick short passing with loads of movement ????

If a provincial club can produce players like riordan, murray whittaker, brown, thomson and occonnor and bring in cheap signings like zemamma, sproule, benji and just recently liam miller and anthony stokes with no resources where are we going wrong

we arent producing the same quality youngsters, very very few get near the first team we keep them for years playing in the youths then reserves dont play them in first team then they end up at a lower league club never to be heard from again

 

We cant afford to make the debt anymore than it is, as yes we do have a debt, no football club in the world runs at a profit, you eva run even or in debt and some seasons u run at a profit to pay the debt. I believe in the board and majority shareholders, they arent billionares for being idiots, they are all very business savvy and intellegent men. It would be irresponsible for them to run the club in a reckless manner where they are spending money the club cannot GUARANTEE to pay off.

1. We get barely any money from tv rights
2. Current results this season wont guarantee CL football for next season
3. We had 20,000 missing fans at a home european match against a team from a good competition, skill level and reputation.
4. Our player values arent very high, so if we had to pay off the debt quickly who could we sell quickly - McGeady, Boruc.
5. The most important thing about running Celtic is a thing called LIQUID DEBT. Man utd could prob hold a debt of near on a billion dollars, cause they have valuable assets, they could sell their squad for a combined approx. 300mil, they have guaranteed huge tv money, big time sponsorship money, great asset in the stadium, their naming rights would be worth massive amounts, so if the banks did come calling for Man utds money they could easily generate the money.
Celtic on the other hand i believe couldnt hold anymore than a debt of around 40-50mil before we hit administration. Our squad isnt worth anything more than 25mil, our stadium is abit run down, we get little if any tv rights money, sponsors arent throwing big money at our club, we arent selling games out, the standard of our opposition is poor. This is prob why the board havent thrown money at the club, cause the quality of player wanting to come play in scotland would be questionable, he wouldnt ever be valued at more than say 7-8mil, there is no guarantee if he would be a success. So the club prob isnt willing to gamble on paying for a player worth 6-7mil in the prospect that he could be a flop, and at best the club could regenerate his initial value.

 

sorry forgot to add on my post, this is why we need a new competition to play in cause its just going to get worse.

 

What are you talking about?
Naka was a passenger