stop this ungrateful snipping at WGS

I supported Stachan all the way till he moreorless handed the SPL trophy to Rangers when it all seemed like we had done enough at Xmas....but now after watch Tony's style and Tony's Celtic.....I realise how bad he was and everyone who was under Strachan seems better already....even Naylor!!!

I know players usually step up a gear or two on the arrival of a new manager, but just the style of football is better....

remember a few back...i posted about how I hated the current style of football we were playing and I said I would like to see Strachan take more risks and play attacking football instead of all that negative * like the huns....then I got peltered by a few when I suggested that we should play in a mentality like Man utd...to attack and to attack with pace. The way Tony seems to play is exactly what i was asking for...thanks * for answering my prayers

 

my sentiments exactly davie.

 

well said mate, thats the most sense anyone has said about this ,also just want to point out that some of the people who said we played steadly worse under strachan have also said mowbary has been left a good base to work with.

 

If wgs has left us with such a good squad then it must be his fault for not getting the best out of the players he signed.Also if wgs was so good why in the last 4 years when the huns have spent nothing and got worse each year has wgs,s team struggled to win the league over the last 2 years.

Imo mon,s team was a joy to watch at times and was a joy to go to the games you always felt up for it and felt we could beat anyone under wgs after the first season it was depressing going to games watching the dredge he put out.

Mon got £36 million over 5 years to sign new players
Wgs got £34 million over 4 years to sign new players

Mon league points totals----- Wgs league points totals
2000-01 --97 .---------------- 2005-06 --91
2001-02 --103 .--------------- 2006-07-- 84
2002-03 --97 came 2nd.------- 2007-08 --89
2003-04-- 98 .---------------- 2008-09 --82 came 2nd
2004-05-- 92 came 2nd.

Wgs got us to last 16 twice with points totals that mon also achieved.What did wgs manage to do in europe his other 2 seasons in charge?

Stats dont lie but pretty sure wgs,s love children will be able to spin it in his favour.

 

I never rememberd Strachan from his Aberdeen days so I had no prejudice from then, I was looking forward to him coming in 2005 as I thought the club needed freshened up. It started off well a combination of MONs team, youngsters and new signings like Naka and Boruc.

For whatever reason the old guard (Seville team) were moved to one side without explanation and over the course of a year I'd gone from Watching Hartson, Sutton, Balde and Petrov to Dion Dublin, Miller and Pressley.

It also felt like he'd sign decent talent, give them a few games out of position then condem them to the stand then make a loss on them instead of giving them a chance ar putting them in the shop window to increase value.

It will be the first sucessful Celtic team many young fans saw first hand (mine was MONs ) so people will defend it but while I have good memories of some games under WGS for me personally it fells like an era where I wasnt part of it for some reason. Maybe I was just getting older or something!!

Looking forward to the futureunder Mogga

 

Think Gunt is WGS nephew! your hailing the man as a mesiah !. Why are so many Celtic fans happy he is away ? ? There must be some truth behind what the majority thinks , there is no smoke without fire , but you will try justify it with long pragraphs that spill the same bile over and over again. Persoally I was over the moon he left and if I was told had we won the league last year he would have stayed I would personally have delivered the trophy to the manky mob . Him leaving was the best thing that came out of last year!

Now we can look foward to value for money with this years season ticket

 

Seems like a lot of what I said is agreed with. Glad I'm not the only one thinking he had it easy.

 

It really pains me to drag MoN into this due to the intense happiness he brought me and our club. But this incredible hatred for Strachan is overwhelming. Another quote from this thread "he was a * of the highest order" or something along those lines. *? I'm lost for words.

If you're after some stats, do continue reading:

Gordon Strachan achieved more in Europe than MoN, inheriting a decrepid squad while cutting costs.

Gordon Strachan achieved more consecutive league titles than anyone since Jock Stein. Again while cutting costs.


Finally what is all this talk of the TM way? He hasn't managed a competitive game and already it's been hailed as "the Celtic way". I'm all for positivity but using that as a beting stick on Strachan is again just madness. Some people are intensely bitter and sour faced.

 

You gs lovers should get a job as gordon browns spin doctors he might win the next election.Every spl team has diminished fund s to spend each year we have spent by far the most so why should our point total be so low.and why should it get worse as you have pointed out wgs got to spend his money steadily over 4 years instead of a large amount at the beggining.how was sutton and bobo has beens sutton had eye injury wgs didnt like bobo or any other mon signing for that matter.You never answered my question about what wgs done in his other 2 european campaigns surprise surprise.but keep up the spin any maybe one day we will all love the ginger one.I for one am glad he is gone

 

What the WGS-lovers fail to see is that many fans like myself had no negative feeling towards the man before he arrived. Personally, his personality, dross football, lucky wins against the worst huns team in living memory and apathy towards the fans wore me down.

Frankly Gunt, I got about a paragraph into your ascent up the righteous path to the moral high ground and gave up. I am not a fan of the man, his success is over-emphasised considering the context it was achieved in and nobody such as yourself is going to convince me that he even comes close to MON as a manager.

Thanks for the good times but we move onwards and upwards.

 

This is * tedious, why are we having these MON-WGS debates?

MON: stopped Rangers domination, put the club back on the European map, broke points records, home winning sequence records, skelped the Huns- went 7 victories on the trot, fantastic manager, great man, took us to a European Final, left Celtic with an ageing squad

WGS: three titles out of 4, took us to last 16 twice, could be an annoying wee *, football at times too over fussy, wasn't liked by the majority of the support, but history will be kinder to him, first manager since Jock Stein to win 3IAR, left Celtic with a young, vibrant squad

BTM: new manager, new era

MOVE ON PEOPLE!

 

I wouldn't call myself a WGS lover, infact I didn't particularly like him however the fact that some fans fail to recognise the very successful job he did with us is, in my opinion, a really sad state of affairs.

He is no longer our manager so why the need to keep running him down and putting his success down to luck? Be happy with the success he brought to us, the squad he left us with and the financial stability he helped to provide.

He made plenty of mistakes (as has every manger, including MON) but he won trophies while having to re-build an entire squad with little real financial backing, I had some very happy nights at Parkhead during his 4 years in charge.

It was the right time for him to go as last season was so hard to watch, but that shouldn't take away from his previous success, I'd happily take winning while playing poorly over losing while playing "pretty" football ala the 90's.

 

wgs got £34 million over 4 years mon got £36 million over 5 years so how has wgs not had financial backing if he cant spend it wisely that is his fault. i dont care whether he got all the money in one lump sum or spread over his tenure the fact remains they spent similar amounts on transfers.

 

You can write a 1000 word essay on the subject and produce all the graphs charts and stats you want

Strachan * last season up against the worst Huns side in 39 years- END OF STORY :bbpd:

 

He didn't have any REAL financial backing as despite having the transfer funds Celtic were no longer a club that offered big wages therefore that in part dictated the type of players he could attract to the club.

Transfers aren't just about the transfer fee the wages have to be considered as well.

 

I agree that last season he got it well wrong but despite that he was successful in his previous 3 seasons, a fact some fans refuse to acknowledge saying it was just luck, poor opposition etc if that's the case he must be one of the luckiest men on earth.

 

Trying to change peoples opinions on Strachan is like trying to kick water water uphill. They do not like the man and they never will. I feel sad that even 'the best fans in the world' don't recognize the the great success that WGS brought to our club.

No matter what anyone says he is the man who gave us the most successful period in my lifetime of nearly 30 years and that is a fact. No manager from McNeill to Mogga, from Burns to Dalgleish has even came close to matching the successes that WGS brought us.

Celtic is a club open to all, just not WGS eh?

 

Couldn't have put that better myself.

Also I'm much in agreement with Green Wing - both MoN and WGS brought huge success in different ways so we're now in a great position to move on. But why all the sniping at WGS?

 

agree with you about wages but to say £34 million isnt real financial backing is a joke.If walter smith had been given those finances wgs would not of won the 3 league titles he won £34 million is a lot of money in our league if you add up all the other teams in our league i would be surprised if they spent more so £34 mil to produce the * he did(apart from first season) is a lot of money.

 

Yes he's had more to spend than the other teams in the SPL, although did rangers not out spend us last season, despite them being skint?

The point is many fans, yourself included, have compared the 34 million WGS spent with the 36 million MON spent - that is not a fair comparison for a couple of reasons:

1. Wages - with the 36million MON spent he also had the benefit of being able to offer big wages thus making it easier to attract bigger name players, a luxury that WGS did not have.

2. Inflation - the £20million MON spent in his first year is worth a lot more in today's money - a player signed for £6million in 2000 would likely cost you at least £10million (probably more if being bought from an English side) in 2005.