strachan and the supporters

I don't care how it went in, just that he scored it, earnt us 15 million pounds and CL recognition.

Btw, you've said yourself before that you feel Donati paid his transfer fee with that goal.

 

Of course it has. Us being at the top of a poor league doesn't make us good.

I am fully ware of the financial restraints, but we could still be playing better football and have a better team - despite those restraints.

I listed previously areas where we could improve despite the financial restraints -

better strike rate in the transfer market

getting players playing to their best as often as possible

getting the whole to be greater than the sum of the parts (i.e. we should be better given the superiority of our squad)

playing more consistently

These are things we can do, despite the financial restraints, which we can improve upon imo. The manager is the man to do these things.

 

I'm sorry, but the majority of them are still flops. We don't judge players on the money they bring back to the club. We judge them on what they bring to the club on the pitch.

If you want to judge players by finances, you'll need to admit that Nakamura should be a Celtic legend.

Kenny Miller was a flop. How many goals did he score? How long did it take him to score?

Du Wei flopped in Scottish football.

Donati is just a *. I don't care if he scored against Donetsk. He's still a big * who has flopped at Celtic.

Just because Samaras is top scorer doesn't mean he can't be a flop. I think that just proves how poor the other strikers have been. It doesn't say anything about Samaras himself.

Zurawski flopped in Scottish football too. We may have got the money back or whatever, but he didn't do anything on the field.

Dublin was a total *. Clear flop. He scored against an already beaten Dunfermline side in stoppage time. It doesn't justify his performances for the rest of the season.

Fair enough, Doumbe is injured a lot.

You just can't judge a player's career on one goal and how much money the club got from selling him.

 

That doesn't mean I don't think he's a flop. Look at him, he can't even get on the bench most weeks.

The goal may have covered the transfer fee, but it's not covered his brass neck with poor performances.

 

I balance what they bring on the pitch against the money they bring to us.

He was our top scorer in the CL, and earnt us £2m in a year. We just have different definitions of a "flop."

I disagree with this, and I think it doesn't give Sammy the credit he deserves.

I wouldn't say scoring over 20 goals in your debut season is doing nothing.

I disagree on most of the players you call failures for various reasons, whether it's injuries, their age, what they brought on-the-field (if only in glimpses) weighed up against the money they cost/brought back.

I take a lot of factors into consideration, and that's why I don't think many folk are complete flops.

 

The manager isnt solely responsible for the strike rate in the transfer market. Scouts, Chief Scout, Football Development Manager and Chief Executive have a larger part to play in that arena than Strachan

Strachan does get players playing to their best often e.g. Maloney & McGeady winning POTY award doubles, no other players has ever done it. Nakamura won one too.

Injuries this season have played their part in team performance for being below par. Any team, regardless of squad depth will see a drop in team performance when you have to chop and change due to injuries. There are plenty of examples of this.

Again consistency over this season has been hit by injuries and possibly the hardest thing for any manger to maintain over a season. Thats why silverware is handed out to the most consistent

 

Some people have an extremely harsh view of our past transfers. One name is Evander Sno - a youngster (borderline reserve) who played his part in a season (and indeed was no disaster, actually had some good games), gave it his all despite some harsh critics in the crowd and eventually when it appeared the prospect wasn't suited to Scotland we went and made a profit on him.

Face it - whoever the manager is we are now structured to take calculated gambles on youth, some will make it and some won't - but you can hardly call any of them a flop when you are signing them for buttons and they are contributing to the squad.

The only genuine flops in my eyes are Gravesen, Donati, Jarosik and Mo Camara. Everyone else had some kind of contribution rather than detraction.

 

Fully Agreed

 

They have a role to play, I agree. But once they have identified and signed targets it is up to the manager to make it a success. Jarosik and Gravesen definitely had talent and it's up to the manager to do what he can, even with wayward characters, to get them contributing to the cause.

McGeady has been relatively poor this season, Naka is inconsistent too.

There are also examples of unforced changes detracting from our performance.

We have been pretty inconsistent Dempsey, there's no denying that. We seem unable to get a result away from home.

 

Does nobody think the fact that he acts like a 10 year old boy to the press might have something to do with it? His whole attitude in interviews is embarassing.

 

I don't think he acts like a 10 year old to the press. The press are a bunch of retarded *, failed footballers, and failed retarded footballers.

They deserve contempt. Good journalism died in this country long ago.

Actually now that I think about it, if he keeps winning titles* he can call Chick Young a * every saturday afternoon at 5pm for all I care.









*he can do that even if we lose the title

 

That is true, but it comes to a time where he should be the bigger man and give a sensible answer. The press are like that to every manger not just him.

 

Even Virgo?

 

i think it's blown out of proportion.

the celtic minded one gets me. any celtic fan i speak to that doesn't like him say so because they think he's built up a terrible celtic side. i've never once heard any say because he's not celtic minded. people may say it on forums but nevr have i heard it from a person's mouth.

 

best quote yet m8 gets to the meaning of my point ,sorry am just getting to read the comments been busy . correct me if im wrong but picking up on whats been said,it seems to be that he gets compaired to m artin o neil, who had everyone eating out of his hand and hanging on to his every word in interviews,more of a charming speaker were as wgs seems to not care who he upsets ,even his teams own fans .

 

I'd agree that this is true. My big brother, who liked Strachan before I did, now thinks that he's had his time and should go. A lot of people I know want rid of Strachan.

 

Those same people should be polled for their opinions on who would take over once Strachan walks out of CP for the last time. I dare say most replies would either be unrealistic (e.g Moyes) or a step down (Mowbrey anyone!)

It's all well and good shouting from the stands that the manager and team are *, but the bare facts are we are still top of the league and I've wagered money on us winning the title by more than 4 points.

Yes we are inconsistent and I for one would love to have the league wrapped up by now, but there are many factors involved in why we haven't and blame can't simply be laid at Strachan's door for that. He gets pelters if he changes the line up or plays players out of position due to injuries and suspensions and he gets pelters for players not doing the jobs they are very well paid to do. The guy is in a no win situation regardless of what he does.

Some fans will always complain, others will take all factors into consideration before jumping to form an opinion. It's human nature and there's not a lot anyone can do about it.

Like The Doc said previously, it's only when he leaves will people start appreciating the job he done and I guess his biggest compliment will be when his record is laid down in front of his successor as a yardstick!

 

Yes he may be unpopular with some supporters, i have no issue with that, people can make up their own mind about his credentials as a manager. The issue i have is that it's became a trend with some people to dislike the gaffer & perhaps with easy influenced fans who in the past didn't have an opinion on strach will be swayed towards this group of celtic fans(which surprises me even more because celtic fans usually stand behind & back anyone who cares about the club!) who peddle hatred about a man who's delivered us 3 titles, which used to mean something when we were winning * all. Thats what annoys me, its really daft. I respect some supporters who can hold their hands up & say 'i just dislike the guy' and refrain from spouting * about a successful manager!

 

What's unrealistic about Moyes? The man has said himself he'd love to manage an old firm side. Obviously Everton are doing OK atm, but Celtic is a clear step up and he knows it.

Champions League football instead of a battle to qualify for the Uefa Cup. Success is practically guaranteed.

How is Mowbray any more of a step down than Strachan was? Both are mangers who failed in the Premiership. I don't see much difference between the two tbh. Strachan has got his chance at a huge club, Mowbray hasn't. It's unfair to say he's a step down from Gordon Strachan IMO.