REAL RADIO> CELTIC'S STATMENT ON REMOVAL OF BANNERS ETC...

Not true read the link i posted on the other post. The bnp are the biggest party in the region, there was a vote last year whether to push for independence they won 34-33. With the eta supporting party of 7mps abstaining.
The reson they cant get indepence is because of the spanish constitution of 1978, where the whole country of Spain would have to approve it.
There are now talks of declaring independence just like what kosovo did

 

Have Celtic released an official statement yet?

 

No, dont think they want to before the huns game

 

do you mean the PNV?? Yes they are the leading party but the opposing PSOE and PP and IU outwiegh them in votes.

So to say they're the majority isn't even nearly true.

I'm at work right now, but I'll get the stats and get back to you at a later stage.

 

FAO BUZZBHOY:

Found it quicker than I thought. you'll see from the link that the independence support has been falling for in recent years.

At the last elections the non-independence vote was around 52% of the elctorate.

Pro was a total of 37%. (only 7% in favour of absolute outright independence btw.)

Resultados Electorales 2008 en País Vasco con ELPAÍS.com

Point settled. Democracy is about the will of the majority.

 

Yes i have read the stats, and you can read these read the bit on politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_(autonomous_community)

 

The fans come first!!


I believe this is the view of many Celtic fans and I think the officials at the club have forgotten that the fans are the heartbeat of what is fast becoming a standard football club and not the Celtic we all know and love. Passion is and always has been at the heart of Celtic and I feel that this amazing establishment could fall even further behind what are average clubs in other leagues!!

Having received an e-mail from a friend with the GB statement this is becoming even more prevalent.

My hope is that Celtic F.C. stop harassing the fans that bring an atmosphere to the ground and concentrate on pushing the club forward and improving what are less than average performances from the team.

There is no excuse for Celtic being an also ran in European competitions. I don't expect us to win the Champions League but to be beaten by teams like Aalborg is a disgrace. Passion from the players is a must; they will have the backing of the best fans in any sport.

To finish with a point.... The fans deserve better treatment from a club that should be grateful of such a following in the wake of what is a dumbing down of what was once a vocal support for a team we still feel deserve to be feared in Europe!!

 

Be careful with Wiki btw, but yes I know plenty about the politics. I'm actually learning Basque too. The election results however say far more than an well-meaning but opinionated Wiki artcile.

Election results are hard facts.

In any case I'm not looking for a side-tracked argument, it's just that I see a lot of generalised fabrication and misinformation banded about regarding Euskdai / País Vasco and wanted to clear up the point. that's all. Peace, brother.

 

now you dont seriously expect hard line nationalists to care if they have a majority support or not. I heard its true that only a minority want total independence but you then get the usual excuse that half the population are blow-ins and shouldnt have an opinion or vote on the matter etc. However, that like saying Scottish catholics shouldnt be allowed to vote in Scotland because they are blow-ins

 

Listen to all you's people saying stuff about the gb - the gb are the fans who create the atmosphere in parkhead because most of you will be the boring fans that sit on your arses all game and just moan about the play then leave 10 minutes early! Forza green brigade

 

Exactly

 

Everything you say is true Oh Master Gunt. Just being more vociferous and petrol bombing cash dispensers makes some think they represent the other 93% who don't agree with them.

 

A long history of past grievances is not a good basis for politics of today or the future IMO. The region is now too mixed to go back and pretend its like 200 years ago and populated by one people. Whether one thinks of it as a state, nation or just a provence, thats just a concept/choice and the only solid reality is its still an area of land with a mixed population.

I feel the same about northern Ireland. Whatever one thinks about it now and what it once was and its status, it remains unique in Ireland as having a 50%+ British descended population. To ignore that and pretend it never happened and its no different to the rest of the country is not a realistic basis for a future solution. Unionists think its part of the UK and ignore that its a unique part of the UK with 50% of the population who dont identify with the UK. Both sides need to stop the denial and stop pretending its just another part of the UK or just another part of Ireland. Its not. Its something different from both.

 

The difference in the Basque country is that the extreme nationalists are a tiny 7% minority intimidating the majority who are happy with the present political set up. Even the other 30% nationalist vote is really only looking for greater autonomy.

I also hate the liberal comparisons made with Ireland. The 2 situations are so different as to make a nonsense of the comparison except in a couple of minor details.

 

my * bhoys do you lads not get sick of arguing about the same thing all the time! how many times ave treads like this been argued to death!

 

We'll im glad that's finally cleared up... Im not irish or british, im must be part of this new breed norn irish?

I think this has gone way of topic, still without hearing any one good reason the flags shouldn't be allowed in Parkhead other than 'because the police say so'

 

Not saying that. I am just saying that denial that history has made an area too evenly divided in terms of population and tradition for a simple win/lose solution is not a good idea. The Good Friday agreement recognised that fact although it took about 25 years too long to come to this obvious conclusion.

BTW you can be Northern Irish or northern Irish. There is a difference but you cant see it vocally.

 

BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Spanish eyes on Basque elections

Thats another article saying 50% want more indepence and a further 30% want complete seperation,
Pnv is a nationalist party its not like the conservative party here,
the difference between the paryts is how much freedom they want.

I was arguing about the point that messi made ''That its not a real country'' which i think is very insulting, when in reality they have a lot more power over their region and responsibilitys than the scots do. I dont mean that as a dig.

Best of luck with learning the language,

 

actually I notice you are from North of Ireland. There is no legitimate political entity of that name. Should that not be north of Ireland:icon_mrgreen:.

 

If the SNP in Scotland only had the strategic foresight to stand on a ticket of more independence rather than total independence, they would clear up in Scotland and the Labour party would be wiped off the face of the land. One they had most independence they could then argue from there for total independence.